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  • #709597
    Greensands
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      @greensands

      Hi – I need to accurately centre and drill a 5mm tapping hole in the end face of a number of short lengths of rectangular aluminium bar stock measuring 40x10mm section. At the present time I am thinking in terms of setting up each length up in the 4-jaw but before proceeding further I would be interested to know if there might be other more reproducible ways of tackling the job. All views and opinions much appreciated.

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      #709598
      Clive Brown 1
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        @clivebrown1

        Face plate and angle plate, with a simple location jig.

        #709603
        peak4
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          @peak4

          Quite a good video here

           

          On a smaller bit of square bar, you could use two small lengths of angle, rather than four plates.

          Bill

          #709605
          Anonymous

            Difficult to say without knowing what the word accurate means, can a number be put on it?

            Given the lengths are short I wouldn’t use the lathe, much quicker to use a vertical mill.

            Andrew

            #709609
            Bill Phinn
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              @billphinn90025

              Yes, I wouldn’t want to have to clock in too many identical pieces in the 4 jaw for a single tapped hole in the end of each.

              If the pieces are not significantly longer than the height of your vice jaws, square both ends with the side of an end mill,  and then stand them vertically in your vice against a 123 or V block on one side and vice stop on the other. If you have a DRO on your mill and the pieces are very close to identically sized in respect of  their 40mmx10mm measurement, you might get away with lining up several of them in the vice together to drill and tap.

              It all depends how long your pieces are and, as Andrew says, how accurate the work needs to be.

              #709613
              Martin Connelly
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                @martinconnelly55370

                Set up the first piece then only move jaws one and two when removing and replacing each successive piece. This should be good enough for drilling and tapping.

                Martin C

                #709629
                Diogenes
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                  @diogenes

                  For this kind of repetition on the lathe my first thought would have been to ‘jig’ them on a pile of blocks & angle plate on the boring table – then you only have to set up the first one and drop the following ones in.

                  Trying to quickly repeat 40×10 aluminium edge-wise in a four-jaw sounds worth avoiding..

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  #709631
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Mill vice and a vice stop for me. Use an edge finder on the first one and then you only need set up the once as the remainder will go back in against the fixed jaw and stop.

                    If they are tall then angle plate with a piece of bar clamped to it vertically to give two faces to act as stops so again you only need clock the first one for ctr.

                    If you only have a lathe then angle plate on the cross slide to set a front/back stop and packing to bring the part upto height, drill held in the spindle. If you have  avert slide then that will also do similar just a bar to hold the work at the same height and cross slide to set it in the other direction.

                    #709639
                    DC31k
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                      @dc31k

                      All the answers thus far assume that the variation in stock size can be accommodated within the tolerance of the hole location.

                      I mention this as the original post gives neither a number for the desired accuracy nor any information on the source of the stock. It is safe to say that if all the stock was sliced off the same parent bar, it will be good enough.

                      If it comes from a bucket of bar end offcuts of many batches of material, at the least a few should be measured to confirm any variation in size.

                      #709643
                      Brian Baker 2
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                        @brianbaker2

                        Greetings, I invested in a self centring 4 jaw chuck, fine for squares, and with 2 packing spacers, works for rectangular stock as well.

                        #709648
                        Anonymous
                          On DC31k Said:

                          All the answers thus far assume that the variation in stock size can be accommodated within the tolerance of the hole location.

                          No they don’t, read and assimilate please!

                          Andrew

                          #709693
                          Howard Lewis
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                            @howardlewis46836

                            You could mark out each piece (Preferably on a surface table) and centre pop.

                            Then centre in the 4 jaw using the Two Centres method.

                            The accuracy of the drilled hole will depend upon the accuracy with which the end is marked and centre popped.

                            The Two Centres method should allow the work to be centred to within 0.0005″, if that is your desired level of accuracy. (Far better than a tapped hole can provide)

                            Howard

                             

                            #709833
                            Greensands
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                              @greensands

                              Many thanks for all the useful ideas posted above. Food for thought.

                              #709840
                              peak4
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                                @peak4

                                One more possibility for you; possibly counterintuitively; use a 3 jaw in the lathe if you’ve lots to do, particularly id your bar stock has slightly rounded corners, and is of uniform size.

                                Measure the stock size across corners, and drill/bore/ream a hole in some round stock to be a tight(ish) fit.

                                Mark where jaw one touches the bar and run a hacksaw up the round bar to form a collet with a single split, about 60° round from your mark. You could spring it open very slightly.
                                Put it back in the chuck, aligning the mark with jaw 1, so the hole should still be concentric.
                                The slit should be half way between jaws and close up on the workpiece.

                                If you made it tall top hat shaped, that is with a stop at one end and an outer lip at the other, it would even act as a  stops to ensure all the lengths are faced off equally

                                Bill

                                #710317
                                Pete
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                                  @pete41194

                                  If each piece was cut off from the same length of aluminum bar stock then they should be fairly uniform. But not enough information is given to provide the best answer for what your doing. Just how many need to be done and to what level of accuracy? Within + – .020″ is a whole lot different than .001″ or less for the best and quickest method that might be used. And 10 or 10,0000 for part numbers also have different answers. And the same depending on if you have a mill or not. In industry and for multiple pieces, it would be rare today to use marking out and center punching. Vise stops or rudimentary part fixtures to index the part to the same datum location each time without further set up or measuring would be many times quicker. Without a mill, do a Google image search for what’s called a Keats Angle Plate. Many today don’t seem to have even heard of them. With one bolted to a lathe face plate and a bit of set up time for the first one, the rest should go pretty quick. Even quicker if you can also drill and tap the holes using the same set up.

                                   

                                  3 and 4 jaw independent chucks are a huge help and probably not optional tooling for any lathe, but so is a face plate. And those chucks also have there own built in limitations in what they can or can’t physically do, or how long it may take with say an independent chuck. Go back far enough in our industrial history and either of these chuck types weren’t even invented yet. They still managed to machine every part they wanted and to very high levels of accuracy when required using a face plate and different part fixtures, or turning longer parts between centers.

                                  While it’s a North American web site, the same should be available from a tool supplier where ever you happen to be. But I built my own version of one of those Keats Plates using the larger one of these. https://www.kmstools.com/magnum-1-3-8-quot-x1-5-8-quot-clamping-v-block.html And then bolted it to a secondary and sacrificial plate so that extra holes can be added to match the part off set verses the slots in my face plate. Building up a good selection of commercial bolts, studding and commercial or shop made tee nuts that fit your own face plates particular dimensions is imo just as important as having the same on any mill. If you can’t easily set up and hold the part well enough to resist the cutting loads, then you can’t machine it.

                                  #710353
                                  HOWARDT
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                                    @howardt

                                    Just make a simple fixture and use a pillar drill if you have one.  The fixture could mount so that the part hangs off the side of the table thus holding the bar by the drilled end.  I don’t think a lathe is the ideal machine to do this as a repetitive job, too many variances if holding more than the workpiece.

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