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    malcolm hollins
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      @malcolmhollins96641

      Our club Site does not have Mains Electric or running water.

      We want to have Hand washing facilities after using the Urinal.

      Will a Pudin 220V Hot water tap work on Gavity fed cold water from a 10 gall Water Tank?

      Will a Pudin 220V Tap run O.K. if the input Voltage is reduced to lower Tap Wattage. ( our Solar Panel and Inverter will no support a 3000Watt load )

      What 12V Inverter could be used as a stand alone power supply? (Not an expensive one )

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      #701462
      File Handle
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        @filehandle

        I suspect that it might not work.
        Why not use the solar energy to warm a very well insulated tank, giving warm rather than hot water,

        #701476
        duncan webster 1
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          @duncanwebster1

          Just wash paws in cold water. If it’s purely for hygiene you could use alcohol based hand cleaner like we used during covid

          As an old guy once said to me, ‘engineers wash their hands before they have a pee’

          #701480
          peak4
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            @peak4

            How about a propane tankless instant water heater;
            I’ve no experience of them, but here’s one example from Amazon.
            Some are designed for outdoor/camping use, so likely work off a 12v pump and bottle gas.

            Other sources and models are available.

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            Bill

            #701483
            peak4
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              @peak4

              Oh right, someone’s stolen the photo again
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              #701510
              Robert Atkinson 2
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                @robertatkinson2

                To answer the orginial question, No a instant hot water tap like the Pudin will not work on a gravity water feed. Assuming the wter thank is about 50 ft above the tap thst is. The taps rely on pressure differential to operate the heater. Additionally the heater will be less efficent at lower voltage and if the tap uses electrically operated valves these will also have issues.

                As others have indicated it might be better to look at solutions designed for campers and caravans.

                Robert.

                #701536
                Robert Atkinson 2
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                  @robertatkinson2

                  What is up with me? Try “Assuming the water tank is not about 50 ft above the tap that is.”

                  #701554
                  noel shelley
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                    @noelshelley55608

                    As model engineers surely you can make something simple to supply warm water, the boiler inspector can check it, or a heat exchanger from the base of the urinal even ? Noel.

                    #701570
                    malcolm hollins
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                      @malcolmhollins96641

                      Thank yoy for your replies

                      #701638
                      noel shelley
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                        @noelshelley55608

                        Having got over yesterdays sillyness, one thought is that catering supply spares offer heating elements from about 800W for the likes of bain maries Etc. One of these and a stat and your there ! Noel.

                        #701648
                        Nigel Graham 2
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                          @nigelgraham2

                          No mains water. No mains electricity.

                          Camping & caravan equipment? Feasible but not intended for heavy or very frequent use and you still need electricity or gas to power it.

                          Noel’s suggestion – using more robust fittings designed for mobile catering – is better, though you still need fuel at least, and a lot of catering-vans and the like do use small generators and bottled-gas.

                          Now, where is the water from? Rain-water collected in butts from the roof (not much use in a long dry spell when anyway it will stagnate rapidly), or do you take containers of tap-water to the site? Either way, the water should not be considered potable unless boiled before use; for the latter because disinfecting the containers properly between fills is difficult.

                          Perhaps the simplest solution therefore is to use as Duncan suggests, alcohol-based cleanser, perhaps augmented by a simple 12V or foot-pump feeding water to a spout over the sink. The water does not actually need to be hot to wash your hands.

                           

                          Though the engineer you knew might have added “…and after…”

                           

                          #701839
                          Dave Halford
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                            On malcolm hollins Said:

                            Our club Site does not have Mains Electric or running water.

                            ( our Solar Panel and Inverter will no support a 3000Watt load )

                            What 12V Inverter could be used as a stand alone power supply? (Not an expensive one )

                            Does your solar system charge a battery?

                            Ebay has 2ndhand Truma 10L water heaters 

                            They run on 12V, gas or mains If you only use it at weekends it should recharge in time

                            #701903
                            JohnF
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                              @johnf59703

                              May or may not be relevant but we have a small talk water heater in our offices its a Sadia 2.2Kw 10 litre I think came from Plumbnation and works very well — there may be other less powerful models ?

                              We originally had a similar Redring unit but it rotted from the inside – coated steel tank,  the Sadia has a copper tank.  Of course per is your problem ?

                              John

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                              Martin Kyte
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                                @martinkyte99762

                                As a start I would go for solar hot water. That solves most of the warmer sunnier months. Now you need something to act as a fill in boost when the feed is too cold.
                                regards Martin

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