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    HOWARDT
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      @howardt

      Wanted to add to the drill bits question but it seems that something is wrong with the software and the topic doesn’t see me as logged in, but when I go to login I am still logged in.

      Any way what I wanted to say was in my past life I designed special machines for drilling parts in high volumes.  We always used HSS drills from the likes of Guhring and Dormer. Running these drills at manufacturers recommended speeds and feeds with soluble coolant often resulted in a high thousand part count per drill. Users would set a comfortable part count and change drills at that point. I think the whole point is if possible and mostly it wouldn’t be for the home user is to run the drills at the manufacturers recommended feeds and speeds.  Personally I find European manufactured hss drills better quality than cheap cobalt or coated drills.

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      #701114
      Bo’sun
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        @bosun58570

        Hi Howard, sounds like the same problem I had a few days ago.  Couldn’t reply to a topic, despite being “logged in”.  Logging out and back in again, like the hokey cokey, didn’t work.  Perhaps I should have shook it all about.  Then sometime later all was well.

        I have to say, like many on here, I’m tiring of this so called new and improved software.  Whatever it cost, it doesn’t seem to be particularly good value for money.

        #701141
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          Add me to the list of those having problems of logged in but unable to post a reply.  I have stuck with this new software in the hope it would really be better than the old but am rather disillusioned. Noel.

          #701182
          Anonymous

            I don’t recall it ever having been described as  “better” or “new and improved” …. just “compatible”.

            #701184
            SillyOldDuffer
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              @sillyoldduffer

              Test post = appears forum is losing my posts!

              In answer to Samuel, Titanium Nitride improves the wear resistance of HSS, and drills coated with it last longer.

              Whether the extra life shows up depends on how the drill is used.

              In a production setting, drills are used repeatedly on the same material at the same cutting speeds etc.   In these conditions, the advantage of particular types of HSS, Cobalt, Carbide, TiN and other coatings are obvious.

              Home and jobbing workshops operate drills under wildly different conditions many of them unkind to drills, driven by a manual operator who probably doesn’t optimise cutting.   I use the same mid-range drills on wood, tinplate, work-hardening stainless, Aluminium, Copper, Brass and mild-steel, with and without cutting fluid.  Although I’m more careful when accuracy is needed, the sheer inconsistency of general purpose drilling makes it very difficult to judge if TiN is an improvement or not.  It should, but…

              Another problem is the variability of drills.  Being stamped ‘HSS’ doesn’t mean it is!  And there are counterfeits, factory rejects, and ‘bargains’ that are too cheap.  Tool-steel drills and inexpensive grades of HSS that do a reasonable job on most woods blunt quickly on metal.  Whether it’s worth an amateur spending big money on drills designed for production work is up to the individual.    In my case, mostly not, because I buy drills to make holes and am happy if they do so without costing a fortune.  I avoid cheap and buy from Tracy, Arc Euro and similar; they usually manage .  I have some Dormers for special occasions.

              Anyone able to answer these engineering questions:

              • How many 20mm deep holes in EN1A should a 10mm twistt drill produce before it has to be sharpened?,  and,
              • How much does each hole cost?

              Dave

              PS Good idea I think for beginners to start with a set of 0.5 increment metric drills (or 1/16th inch in Imperial), but thereafter to buy drills in the required size when needed.  In practice I guess most workshops drill a smallish sub-set of hole sizes, and might never use some of the drills in a set.

              #701188
              samuel heywood
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                @samuelheywood23031

                Howard, I had the same problem & was the OP.

                Try refreshing/ reloading the page, that seemed to get me from logged out to logged in.???

                #701271
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  I just replied to an email from a member with thsi problem, may as well post it here too.

                  Hi *****

                  They said they had solved this problem last week after you and some others reported the problem. But it seems to have come back again on Friday when a small change was made. I let Darren and Andy know then but Andy is now away until the 3rd January according to the automated reply. Not a sausage from Darren even though Andy’s message says Darren will be there to help with web-related problems. Neil does not get a good signal at weekends so seldom looks in and not that often even when he has a signal.

                  I have a feeling nothing will happen until at least Wednesday but more likely not until the 3rd when Andy gets back.

                  #701288
                  HOWARDT
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                    @howardt

                    At least I managed to log back into this thread, although on my desktop rather than the iPad.  Looking at the number of posts being made to the site I wonder if the majority of users of the previous forum software are getting a little fed up with is all.  I know what it takes to design software, I studied it in the past and my son is a software designer and from his tales nothing surprises me, I remember I think it was AutoCad 11 which lasted about six months before being replaced.

                    As for drill life, back in my day we used straight HSS for most of the cutting tools, with some brazed carbide for form tools.  Speeds and feeds were fixed at the design tool selection stage using the supplier/manufacturers recommendations, usually within 10% due to design.  Most machines had fixed speed,  and feed rates were cam driven, it wasn’t until the servo systems became readily available that we could tweak feeds.  As has been said we provided the cutting tool with a constant optimum speed/feed and coolant to aid chip evacuation.  Now in the model engineers world we use drills much as we would in a hand drill, speed is what the power unit gives us and feed is related to how much force we apply to lower the power unit.  We also tend to continue to use the drill so long as it will actually produce chips, whether it is blunt or not.  Rather than dwell on whether the use of alternative drill materials is better for us we should stick to one and sharpen the drills a little more often.  Some materials will require a different drill ideally such as steeper, or polished flutes but in most cases we also ignore this.

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