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    jon hill 3
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      @jonhill3

      Having acquired a large quantity of end mills and slot drills with a screwed shank I was wondering if there is a screwed collect set available to fit my myford?  I already have a small set of myford branded collects,so is there a threaded solution to stop cutter slippage?

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      #698519
      Martin Connelly
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        @martinconnelly55370

        The threaded tooling is intended to be used in a Clarkson or Posilok collet system. They are available with R8 and Morse taper shanks. However you can use them in a standard collet that matches the plain shank diameter if you can grip them tight enough, same as a plain shank cutter. There is a standard tpi for the thread and the diameter is matched to the shank. A typical collet and holder set will likely have the collet holder and 8 collets, 4 metric and 4 imperial sizes.

        Martin C

        #698528
        Clive Brown 1
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          @clivebrown1

          I used screwed-shank collets, Osborne rather than Myford, back in the day when screwed-shank cutters seemed the norm. Nowadays I use only ER collets, which I find perfectly reliable for both screwed and plain shank cutters in low powered hobby machines. I personally wouldn’t bother looking for screwed-shank collets, even if they’re available.

          However, I try not to be tempted into holding end-mills / slot-drills in the three-jaw chuck if I’m milling in the lathe.

          #698529
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            The way the threaded collet/ tooling works is not just that the thread holds/drives the cutter, it is quite clever ! For small light work the friction grip may be enough. In imperial sizes you will need 1/4″, 3/8″, 1/2″, and 5/8″ collets. You say Myford branded so 2MT ? Keep the overhang on the cutter as small as possible. The clarkson type posilok in 2MT and draw bar will give quite a large over hang, reducing the height of work that can be accomdated. For metric sizes 6,10,12 and 16mm. Noel.

            #698545
            Mark Rand
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              @markrand96270

              Chronos sell the Vertex Posilock holder and collet sets in assorted tapers. When used in a Myford lathe (unless it’s the ‘big bore’ version), you may soon find that the MT2 arrangement which fits the standard Myford mandrel is too flexible for larger cutters. It’s fairly simple to take a lump of 2-2.5″ diameter bar and make an adapter which screws on to the 1-1/8″x12tpi  mandrel nose and uses the vertex collet nut. Doing that ends up with a vastly more rigid setup 😀

              I’ll try to get a photo to show what I mean tomorrow.

              #698570
              jon hill 3
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                @jonhill3

                Thanks everyone, having not seen how these threaded shank bits fit into a clarkson/posilock my curiosity got the better of me.

                Mark I would love to a drawing.

                #698959
                Chris Crew
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                  @chriscrew66644

                  If you are using Clarkson threaded collets you have to be very careful how you tighten them, especially with the smaller end mills and slot drills. This is because there is a centre inside the body of the chuck which engages with the centre drilling at the threaded end of the cutter. If the cutter is screwed into the collet to the end of its thread and the chuck is then tightened, thereby forcing the cutter hard on to the internal centre, it is liable to break the threaded end of the cutter. The procedure to adopt is to place the collet into the holder and then screw the holder into the body of the chuck within a quarter turn of it being tight. Screw the cutter into the collet until it engages with the internal centre in the chuck body. Then just nip up the last quarter turn of the collet holder into the chuck body. Don’t ask me how I know this!

                  #699566
                  Charles Lamont
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                    @charleslamont71117

                    Chris, that is the way most people are taught to do it, but it is wrong according to the manual. You are supposed to screw the holder right home before screwing the cutter up against the centre. It holds more accurately that way. However, you are also told in the manual that it will tighten itself under load. Well, I have had the holder come undone when turning the mill off, when I had forgotten to give it a final tightening biff on the wrench. But I do that with the holder hand tight, not backed off a quarter.

                    #699567
                    peak4
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                      @peak4

                      This is for the S Type, I’ve never found instructions for the C Type

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                      Bill

                      #699568
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        As my small contribution to ‘the knowledge’

                        I have put a copy of patent 915,713 in my gallery.

                        MichaelG.

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