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    JA
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      @ja

      About a year ago I bought a set of laser cut steel frame plates for a model steel loco. The surface finish was black, not like oxide but more like a phosphate coating. Until recently I assumed it was an anti-corrosion coating but I now think it is there to reduce reflection of the laser energy.

      Two question:

      Am I correct?

      Can I paint a primer directly over the top of it?

      JA

       

       

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      #678109
      paul rayner
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        @paulrayner36054

        Can’t help with the original question but I have heard from two people who have had problems with paint chipping on the cut edges. they have tried slight rubbing & etching primer but it allegedly still seems to chip easily

        regards

        Paul

        #678201
        Martin Johnson 1
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          @martinjohnson1

          Why not ask your laser cutting supplier?  I think the coating or finish varies with material and thickness.

          Some 4mm mild steel I had recently seems to be mill scale.

          Martin

          #678237
          Martin Connelly
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            @martinconnelly55370

            It is probably the result of the gasses used in laser cutters or the atmosphere reacting with the red hot metal that they are in contact with. So not all that different from mill scale. I did have a short conversation with a salesman once who said part of his job involved specialist gasses for large laser cutters.

            Martin C

            #684331
            Michael Topping
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              @michaeltopping17870

              It is down to the gas used, oxygen is cheapest but leaves this scale, CO2 gives a clean cut but is much more expensive. The scale needs to be mechanically or chemically removed before painting. This is one thing the laser cutters never explain to customers.

              #684462
              noel shelley
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                @noelshelley55608

                My understanding of laser cutting steel was that oxygen was used as it helped the cut, the laser provides the heat and then it is almost a self sustaining process. For stainless and other metals non reactive gasses are used to protect the metal as they will not oxidise as steel/iron does. I have started an oxy fuel cut then turned the fuel off whilst the cut will continue as the process is exothermic, providing the heat needed. Noel

                #684659
                JA
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                  @ja

                  Thanks for the replies.

                  The whole surface of the steel is coated. It is very even and uniform. It is not a result of the cutting process.

                  The cut surface is dark blue as expected. I would hardly call it scale, just a thin oxide finish.

                  I will question the laser cutting service in a few weeks time.

                  JA

                  #686679
                  Dave Halford
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                    @davehalford22513

                    Correct JA, the heat affected area will only be 3 mm from the cut at most.

                    Laser cutting does leave a hardened cut edge and paint doesn’t stick to sharp edges very well as it thins out on the pointy bit.

                    I imagine that plasma / laser cutters would not buy cold rolled stock as they don’t want any distortion as they cut bits out of large plates. Which means the black coating will be mill scale, just very thin. Phosphate coatings are more grey, but there is a phosphate and oil finish which would give the painting issues mentioned

                     

                    #686982
                    Mick B1
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                      @mickb1

                      I found a finish similar to phosphating as described on some laser-cut parts of an engine kit I was building. I found it took oil very nicely, so that’s all I did.

                      Of course, if you need to paint it, oil would be a bad idea and I’d guess you’d be better painting on the dry surface.

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