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    Brian H
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      @brianh50089

      Does anyone know why Reeves sell the drawings for Lion (Titfield Thunderbolt) at over £100 whilst Sarik sell them for just over £50?

      Brian

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      Brian H
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        #574011
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Greed would be my instinctive answer …but there may be a more palatable explanation.

          MichaelG.

          #574012
          KWIL
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            @kwil

            The right price is the willing seller/willng buyer scenario. Make your choice.

            #574013
            Circlip
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              @circlip

              Cos Sarik don't sell castings, pipework etc. etc.

              Regards Ian.

              #574021
              Jon Lawes
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                @jonlawes51698

                I once asked BMG Music who got the royalties from the music my great grandfather composed (still selling well as sheet music apparently, relatively speaking). They told me that the family of the composer see the profits. When I pointed out that none of us knew anything about it they got quite angry and told us that if they passed on the profits they would have to stop selling it. I wasn't actually bothered, just interested…

                #574023
                J Hancock
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                  @jhancock95746

                  Perhaps half the errors have been corrected.

                  Only perhaps.

                  #574024
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Simples look at the gauge, and then compare like with like. reeves still a bit more but not double. Bigger engine needs bigger or more sheets.

                    #574027
                    Bazyle
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                      @bazyle

                      Given that photocopying charges are about 1/100 what they were 40 years ago one would have thought they could be churned out at a fiver a set.

                      #574035
                      Peter Layfield
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                        @peterlayfield

                        Never mind the drawings , their castings are either a third or twice the price of other suppliers for the same thing

                        #574041
                        nigel jones 5
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                          @nigeljones5

                          As far as I am aware Curly didnt leave the drawings to anyone when he died – there is no chain of custody and hence no copyright in existance. Several companies claim to have copyright but in actual fact none can prove it.

                          #574045
                          SillyOldDuffer
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                            @sillyoldduffer
                            Posted by fizzy on 02/12/2021 15:09:42:

                            As far as I am aware Curly didnt leave the drawings to anyone when he died – there is no chain of custody and hence no copyright in existance. Several companies claim to have copyright but in actual fact none can prove it.

                            I doubt it's that simple.

                            • The rights to any drawings owned by LBSC would have been part of his estate, and I believe he was survived by his wife. If so, she became the owner.
                            • If LBSC died intestate, and there were no relatives left, the rights would have been transferred to the state.
                            • It's possible that LBSC sold the rights whilst alive or they belonged to whoever he was working for at the time. Drawings commissioned by a magazine would belong to the publisher unless LBSC arranged otherwise. Similarly, LBSC might have transferred the rights to a Model Supplier so drawings could be supplied with castings or whatever.
                            • Whoever they belonged to could have sold them on again later, or left them as part of their estate.
                            • Rights to drawings based on LBSC originals. but containing new material, would belong to the later developer.

                            In other words, a complete muddle.

                            My feeling is how much copyright matters depends only on how much money is involved. Not worth copyright owners challenging breaches if they only make tiny money, which is probably the case with LBSC.

                            On the other hand, expect a strong reaction whenever serious money is involved. Whilst copying LBSC plans might not cause a fuss, I suggest it's unwise to copy Thomas the Tank Engine, Disney characters, or to set up a burger bar called McDonald's. The latter is verboten even if you are a McDonald by birth!

                            Dave

                            #574048
                            duncan webster 1
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                              @duncanwebster1

                              An A0 print costs about £1.75 from a print shop, so if there are say 12 sheets that's £21, plus handling and postage, so £40 would be as low as you'd want to go. Just wait another 16 years and copyright will expire on LBSC stuff anyway.

                              #574049
                              noel shelley
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                                @noelshelley55608

                                The Lion drawing I have, have both 3.5 and 5" dimentions on ! When reading them one has to have ones head screwed on ! Noel.

                                #574054
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  There are a couple of extra sheets for the 5" giving a total of 13 as opposed to the 11 that cover 3.5 & 5

                                  #574060
                                  Steve F
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                                    @stevef

                                    Hi

                                    You could also buy them from Blackgates

                                    regards

                                    Steve

                                    #574112
                                    Brian H
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                                      @brianh50089

                                      Just checked again on Reeves site and the price for the full drawing set is a more reasonable £75.00.

                                      Brian

                                      #574116
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        Yes as I said you need to compare like with like 3.5" are £50 or 75 and 5" are £63 or 100 both cases reeves are about 50% more not double as per the opening post.

                                        There are two more drawings in the 5" set and they may also be printed larger so the 5" parts are 1:1

                                        Edited By JasonB on 03/12/2021 12:07:42

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