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5″ Coal wagon

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24 September 2016 at 19:44 #257709
John Lintorn
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Has anyone got or could point me to drawings for a 5″ gauge coal wagon chassis please? Looking for a simple 4 wheel design. Need it to keep coal in for my Tich haha!
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24 September 2016 at 19:44 #4261
John Lintorn
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24 September 2016 at 20:45 #257718
julian atkins
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Something like this John?

5"g LBSCR 'A' type wagon as used in large numbers on the Isle of Wight (which LBSC would approve of I hope). The brake gear and everything else has been finished since the pic below, but not yet the internal water tank and coal space.

Cheers,

Julian
27 September 2016 at 19:26 #258183
John Lintorn
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That’s exactly what I’m thinking of. Might use coil spring instead of leaf spring suspension bit yes that is it! Have you any plans/drawings please?
27 September 2016 at 23:30 #258233
julian atkins
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Hi John,

Mine was made using 4mm scale drawings that is now out of print and now quite expensive, plus examination of the fullsize wagon on the IOWSR at Havenstreet.

I can help you as much as I can, and happy to do so.

There is an album of the build in my pics on here.

Cheers,

Julian
27 September 2016 at 23:35 #258234
duncan webster 1
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Doug Hewson sells drawings and parts for waggons**LINK**
27 September 2016 at 23:50 #258237
julian atkins
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Hi Duncan,

Yes, he does via the new undertaking (Steve Hudson) but they are very expensive. My 5"g wagon cost me £20 in paint and wood for the sides. The hardwood for the chassis etc was 'in stock' as were the wheels and axles and axlebox material. I made up 300 or so 10BA threaded securings for the woodwork out of flat ended 1/16" dia rivets.

If you dont like 10BA fixings a 5"g wagon is not for you!

Cheers,

Julian
28 September 2016 at 01:37 #258246
Ady1
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Another waggon thread
28 September 2016 at 12:35 #258297
John Lintorn
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Why make 300 10 BA screws when you buy 300 m1.6 cheap as chips?
So am I going to have to come up with my own chassis. I’m not paying someone for drawings of a wagon haha! Just though one of you chaps might have some somewhere.
28 September 2016 at 23:06 #258385
julian atkins
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Hi John,

I was of a similar view till I realised how small details appear to matter quite a lot to wagon experts.

Wagons of the wooden variety with planked sides are built with round headed coach type bolts, nutted on the outside.

I had about 500 flat headed brass 1/16" rivets sitting in a box for years never used, so seemed an ideal time to use most of them up, and convert them to partly threaded 10BA fixings for the LBSCR wagon.

My late Uncle Roy Penny built lots of finescale GWR wagons in 7.25" one of which won a gold medal at an ME exhibition circa 1990 (it wasnt strictly a wagon but a GWR Toad brakevan).

The wonderful world of miniature wagons is quite a fascinating arena, and all due regard to Doug Hewson for popularising same.

Have a look at the early issues of EIM when Doug described a standard 5 plank wooden chassis wagon. There was a very good description of a Midland 3 plank wagon in ME 3 or 4 years ago in ME, though it relied heavily on bought in components.

I can send you the sketches I used for making mine. What is interesting about wooden chassis wagons is how every part fits in with other parts, and it is like a jigsaw puzzle!

Cheers,

Julian
29 September 2016 at 23:16 #258514
61962
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If you want to see 5" gauge wagons at work there are a number of videos of the Main Line Rally at Gilling East on You Tube (Just search for Main Line Rally and/or Gilling East). Whilst many are kit built or use components from a number of suppliers including Doug Hewson, there is absolutely no reason why wagons cannot be built entirely from scratch. There are several books ( look for books by Tatlow for a start) containing basic drawings that can be used to work up scale drawings, bearing in mind that most private owner wagons were built to RCH designs and many of the railway companies followed the basic RCH principals for their own stock.

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