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9 May 2011 at 21:59 #68206
John Besley
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Hello

For a long time I have been hunting for a set of drawings for a traction engine waggon and a living van, does anyone have any drawings or know where I can find a set i could use.

alternitavly does anyone have a copy of GFA Gilberts Book “Burrell Style” or know where I can obtain a copy as I belive there is a couple of drawings in the book that might be of help

John
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9 May 2011 at 21:59 #4170
John Besley
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10 May 2011 at 07:29 #68219
JasonB
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John Haining did drawings for a 2″ Road Rolling contractors living van, you can get the drawings (TE25) from Myhobbystore or blackgates.

Berrybrook do drawings for a 6″ Traction Waggon which could be scaled to suit your engine.

Jason

Regarding Gilbert’s books they do come up on e-bay and amazon so keep an eye out.

Edited By JasonB on 10/05/2011 07:30:40
10 May 2011 at 07:56 #68224
Sean Cullen
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John Haining did drawings for 2 living vans. Can’t remember when, but I do have those issues in the workshop. Geoff Gilbert also wrote a book on steam thrashing and produced one of Folwer works drawings which includes at least a living van drawing. Will send an off list message later when I have had time to check, but I do have all the Geoff Gilbert books
10 May 2011 at 10:04 #68227
Sean Cullen
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Must clear up the workshop as I cannot find the relevent issues of ME right now, but the index shows that John Haining had articles on living vans and water carts in alternate issues from no. 3774 to no. 3790.

Geoff Gilbert has very good drawings of a Burrell traction wagon and of a log wagon in Burrell Style. He also has a copy of a Fowler works drawing for a ploughing living van in his book Fowler Steam Cultivating Machinery. The latter would have come from MERL at Reading so if you want to make a Fowler wagon then an enquiry to MERL should come up with a works drawing to work from, I do not know what they charge. A message off list might help for personal research purposes
10 May 2011 at 11:48 #68229
JasonB
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It was too early for me this morning, I was looking for Seaward when I should have been looking for Sealand who do wagons in a number of scales and a living van

http://www.sealand2010.co.uk/#/traction-wagons/4537927574

Edited By JasonB on 10/05/2011 11:52:05
10 May 2011 at 14:30 #68236
Ian S C
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Hllo John, I,v got a catalogue of vintage New Zealand built agricultural machinery, I,ll look it out and post some photos in the albums in the next day or so, I think there may be something of use . Ian S C
10 May 2011 at 14:54 #68240
JasonB
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Here are a few Fowler works photos

Wagon

Living Van

Another wagon

Tipping wagon

Van

Wagon

And if you do decid eto tow a wagon and a living van don’t get into a situation like this

Edited By JasonB on 10/05/2011 15:13:10
12 May 2011 at 14:57 #68327
Ian S C
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A couple of photos fromP & D. Duncan Ltd catalogue of 1930, when the site will allow me, I’ll put some more in the albums.

Duncans were a large agricultural engineering company in Christchurch NZ. Ian S C

Edited By Ian S C on 12/05/2011 14:58:53
17 May 2011 at 13:56 #68686
Ian S C
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There are a few more photos in the album now. Ian S C
17 May 2011 at 21:44 #68736
John Besley
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Thanks Ian – thats an interesting collection there – is there any showing lumber waggons?
17 May 2011 at 22:09 #68739
Sean Cullen
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John, I have not forgotten you, just little time and email problems.

Sean
18 May 2011 at 07:30 #68754
JasonB
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John do you mean a pole trailer?

nice 4″ timber timber trailer here

Jason

Edited By JasonB on 18/05/2011 07:45:59

Edited By JasonB on 18/05/2011 07:47:24
18 May 2011 at 12:58 #68775
Ian S C
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Is this what you mean?
18 May 2011 at 13:43 #68778
Sean Cullen
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I have now started a photo album. In it are drawings for Burrell log wagon and traction wagon and Fowler ploughing team living van. The Burrell drawings are in 2 parts each as they were too big to go in the scanner in one hit. Hope they are useful

Sean C
18 May 2011 at 21:55 #68816
John Besley
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Thanks for the info Sean any chance of posting a few drawing dimentions i.e. hight from ground to load deck and height of sides etc for the drop side waggon and the same for the living van.

I aim to create a scale drawing for my 7/8th Traction engine (a conversion of a Wilesco with gas burner, new boiler, new smoke box, etc)
19 May 2011 at 07:49 #68837
Sean Cullen
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John, having had email problems, if you remind me of your email address I will send the scans direct as there are dimensions on the drawings to work from.

Are you going to post photos of your Wilesco conversion, as I would be interested in seeing it. I knew your name was familiar,

Sean
19 May 2011 at 18:49 #68873
Sean Cullen
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Scans sent to John off list.

For anyonje wanting wagons etc for Mamod or Wilesco sized engines, then the Steam Apprentice Club web site has some useful drawings to download. They organise a model competition each year at the Great Dorset Steam Fair and the plans are on the web site, under “Activities” for a Wagon, water cart and organ. This year’s model is a gallopers horse or a cockerell, the plans for that are in the “Competitions” page.

Sean
19 May 2011 at 21:35 #68881
John Besley
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Sean

Thought the name was familler, I knew it the 7/8th Lounge !

Thanks for the scans as regards the Wilesco converstion I havent started it yet, just formulating ideas have you got the web address for the Steam Apprentice Club web site I am currently sorting out ideas for a propper waggon and ratyher like the look of the Fowler living van

John B
19 May 2011 at 21:46 #68882
John Besley
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A while ago in Old Glory there was apicture of a traction engine built using mamod parts does anyone have any information or pictuers of this
20 May 2011 at 11:31 #68897
Ian S C
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Mamod did build a traction engine. Ian S C
20 May 2011 at 21:13 #68932
John Besley
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“Mamod did build a traction engine. Ian S C”

Yes I have a couple somewhere in the basment – what I am looking for is a picture from a recent eng’ show where someone exhibited a part built engine using Mamod wheels looked like the rest was scratch built
21 May 2011 at 07:10 #68953
Sean Cullen
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The Steam Apprentice Club cab be found at http://www.ntet.co.uk/sac/ look under Activities. Plans are basic, but can produce good results.

For anyone under 21 the SAC is a good organisation which produces a magazine, organises drivign days wehre memners get to learn how to prepare, drive and look after both full size and model traction engines and membership also allows free entry to a large number of traction engine rallies, including the Great Dorset steam Fair – the saving on the latter for going for one day pays for the annual membership alone.

Sean
22 May 2011 at 10:00 #69013
Ian S C
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             One of the high schools in Christchurch (NZ) had evening classes that made a small/ toy traction engine, the classes were so popular that there was a waiting list to get in, there must be hundreds of them . They had cast wheels, and flywheel, and a length of maybe 200 mm. I doubt if the school is doing evening classes this year, if in fact they have reopened after the earthquakes. Ian S C

            I think the name of the engine was ‘Little Ben’



Edited By Ian S C on 22/05/2011 10:03:06
22 May 2011 at 12:45 #69021
JasonB
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That sounds like the Wells traction engine

J
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