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    Steve Neighbour
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      @steveneighbour43428

      I've been reading many articles on the site, and have decided to join, so 'Hello' everyone.

      I'm on the wind down towards retirement, and had been thinking of 'what will I do' by way of a hobby ?

      When I was a young lad my Grandfather worked as a machinist on a very old vintage 3 speed leather belt driven lathe making the first set (male and female) die sets for tablet production for a well known pharmaceutical company and in his spare time and post his retirement we spent many happy hours with me learning most of the basic lathe machining skills (as much as you could on his lathe)

      So almost 50 years on from those early sown seeds and having always had a passion for steam road vehicles I now intend to take up model engineering with a lean toward steam traction and lorry modelling when I retire.

      Before anyone points out that this might be a bit ambitious I ought to add that I served an engineering apprenticeship at the start of my own career which gave me a very good foundation in machining, welding/brazing, heat treating and all the hand tool skills for metalworking although I am not currently working in a hands on environment.

      I have a single brick built garage (which I know is not the best for a workshop) but am now busily insulating it by applying a heat barrier to the inside walls, and the up/over door. The walls will have a ply inner liner and insulation to the roof, with heating as necessary and then I'll be looking out for a nice lathe, my budget won't stretch to a new one, so am looking for a pre owned one, my thoughts are leaning towards a Myford, ML7 (or super 7) ??

      So I have some questions which I would like to ask the learned members:-

      Firstly – are there any good clubs in my area that I can join, I would add that I'm not really interested in rail, but have 'played' with aircraft and helicopters in the past, although have no intention of returning to RC models.

      To start with I'm thinking of only getting a lathe, spending some refreshing my skills and then learn to carryout milling on it – maybe as funds allow buy a milling machine, but I'm really not sure ?

      Is a Myford a good lathe, bearing in mind I could get a new Clarke (or similar) chinese import for a lot less money ? – one thing that attracted me is they are still in production, seem to be 'good old fashioned' british engineered and it would seem they are very well supported with spares and documentation.
       
      I would love to read any other tips and advice, pitfalls and success stories !
       
      Steve

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      #40493
      Steve Neighbour
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        @steveneighbour43428
        #396579
        Neil Wyatt
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          @neilwyatt

          Welcome to the forum Steve.

          You've opened the worm-can, I'll let others explore its contents

          Neil

          #396581
          Journeyman
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            @journeyman

            Hi Steve, Welcome. As Neil says a can of worms, a rather elderly can of worms and they are a bit sluggish! Nothing wrong with Myford not sure that new ones are being build they might be re-assembling them. They were good 60 years ago and have not changed much. That said there are an awful lot of lathes in the world and most of them aren't Myford…

            If buying 2nd hand can you identify a good lathe from a bad one, there are plenty of newly spray painted disasters out there just waiting to bite the unwary. If you are not sure can you find someone who knows what to look for.

            If you want to get into Traction Engines, Steam Wagons and the like you may well need something a bit bigger than the Myford 3.5" centre height. Rideable traction engines have some fairly lumpy bits. Whilst of course you can always upgrade it may be worth biting the bullet at the start and going for something that bit bigger. Harrison, Colchester or similar.

            Oh, there are probably several hundred threads on here titled "what lathe?"  or similar well worth digging about. Use the google search half-way down the home page.

            Good luck with your workshop, look forward to reading about that 6"Fowlerwink

            John

            Edited By Journeyman on 16/02/2019 16:04:06

            #396585
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              Welcome. It doesn't take google long to find a ME club in Cheltenham. Don't get the idea that they are only interested in trains. A mistake often made by newcomers is that a club running a track must be only interested in trains. On the contrary many of them will be the opposite but the public running is an essential revenue earning activity to keep the club finances in the black. A typical reasonable club membership fee only pay for the insurance.

              A club will instantly give you 20 to 60 friends to give you advice and quite possibly some tools and even lathes may be available.

              There are a lot of threads on here about lathe choice. Have a look at the old posts bearing in mind that some people insist on starting a thread with a strange and irrelevant title so you just have to go through the lot.

              #396597
              Anonymous

                The logical, and sensible, thing to do is decide what you want to build – that will then dictate the size of lathe you need. I wanted to build a 4" scale Burrell; that dictated a lathe that could swing at least 16" in the gap and take more thay 30" between centres. I ended up with a Harrison M300; although they seem to be going the way of Myford in terms of being overpriced secondhand.

                I'd have given up long ago if I had to build my engines by milling on the lathe. The mills get more use than the lathe.

                Andrew

                #396598
                Graham Swales
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                  @grahamswales

                  Steve. Have a quick Google for MSRVS. Model Steam Road Vehicle Society. Really friendly bunch with lots of help and assistance available. Grum

                  #396599
                  Graham Swales
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                    @grahamswales

                    Sorry folks for the double posting. Finger trouble I guess. Grum 

                    Edited By Graham Swales on 16/02/2019 17:57:31

                    #396609
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer

                      In a way asking 'is a Myford a good lathe' isn't a good question. The answer is 'yes, no and maybe'. As a breed, they're good, but individual examples might be total junk.

                      Quite a serious problem with Myford lathes in my opinion is they attract unreasonably high prices. Buying Myford is likely to put a dent in your wallet – fit for purpose possibly, value for money – dubious. A particular problem in 2019 is that many Myford lathes are elderly. Some have had hard lives or been grossly abused. Not good to pay premium money for a crock however impressive the reputation.

                      Back in the day Myford hit the sweet spot with a decent lathe of reasonable capacity that – for the money – knocked most of the competition into a cocked hat. But, at the time, the competition was thin on the ground. Most of the other lathes available at hobby prices were inferior and Myford deservedly built a high reputation.

                      Nearly 70 years have passed. Today there are other opportunities. First you could buy a new Chinese lathe – not refined, but very good value, and the purchase is low risk because consumer protection applies. Also, the machines are of more modern design featuring stiffer beds, better motors and electronic control. Second, you could find a second-hand lathe that's comfortably a notch or two above the Myford Sevens. Back in the day rugged well-made high-performance machines made for industry (brands like Boxford, Harrison, Colchester, Raglan and many others) were simply too expensive for hobby buyers. For example, the cheapest Boxford was about a third more expensive than the dearest Myford. To our advantage, industry switching to CNC put large numbers of quality manual lathes on the market at reasonable prices and in good condition. Notably, they can be had rather cheaper than a Myford, probably because they are less well known.

                      Personally, I bought new Chinese. The main reason was I didn't feel confident I could tell the difference between a second-hand lathe in good nick and a wreck. Appearances are misleading – it's possible for a good-looking lathe to be scrap while it's grubby mate is in excellent order. Safest to walk away from any second-hand lathe that the seller can't or won't switch on and demonstrate! You have to look and listen carefully for wear, damage, and missing parts that might be impossible or gob-smackingly expensive to replace. Once satisfied the machine is working OK, or can be fixed, you then sort out transport and installation.

                      Another advantage to me of buying new was being able to order the biggest mill and lathe that would fit in my workshop straight from catalogue dimensions. No hoping a suitable pair would turn up on ebay, I just ordered the machines online and they were delivered shortly after. But my fantasy is still being paid £10 by a grieving widow to remove a master-craftsman's carefully maintained collection of classic machines. It does happen!

                      Might be better to start with 'do I want to buy second-hand or new?'; 'what sort of work will I do' and 'how much space and money can I afford'. Once those questions are answered away you go.

                      Dave

                      #396780
                      Steve Neighbour
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                        @steveneighbour43428

                        Thank you very much to all you decent chaps who took time out to reply, your well thought through responses exceeded my all expectations !

                        I have much thinking to do now, and one that would seem a must is that I will visit a show later this year, possibly the Midlands one, to have a good look at what others are doing and drool over the shiny new machines, in particular thanks to the general consensus I'm now looking at 'new' lathes, and notice that on the back on MEW there is a nice advert for a DB10 super from Chester Hobby Store – are these any good, it does seem a good offer at not silly price ?

                        I think another sensible step will be to wander down to the ME club in Cheltenham (their site is only 20 mins away) and say 'Hi' . . .

                        So . . much to think about, much to do, and hopefully lots of new friends to make

                        Steve

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