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  • #126850
    Patrick Astill
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      @patrickastill74203

       

      Hello – I’m looking after the 'social media' for Model Engineer and Model Engineers’ Workshop and was wondering if you were a member of any of the most popular sites.

      We are planning exclusive competitions and give-aways on facebook, twitter and pinterest that you won’t find anywhere else, and there’s something new to see every day.

      It’s all about interaction – and as you can see, we value your input and love to share stories and pictures.

      It's not to replace what you see and read here online but to add to it, drawing attention to model engineering news far and wide, reminding people what they can find here at model-engineer.co.uk and giving an opportunity to press the “like” button if you approve!

      By following our pages you’ll get early information on new developments, share news, views and ideas – and have conversations with hobbyists around the world as well as with staff here the magazine’s HQ.

      Logging into things on the web may seem a bit daunting if you prefer solid things made of metal, plastic and wood, but if you take a deep breath and dive in at the deep end you’ll definitely enjoy the experience.

      Click on the link to facebook.com/modelengineersworkshop to see what we're doing. If you want to sign up and “like” our group then it's straightforward. You don't need to have any online “friends” unless you want to and you can just use facebook to follow your hobbies and interests if you wish.

      Jump aboard and share our online journey at:

      facebook.com/modelengineersworkshop **LINK** 
      pinterest.com/modelengineers http://pinterest.com/modelengineers
      twitter.com/modelengineers http://twitter.com/modelengineers

       

      Edited By Patrick Astill 5 on 13/08/2013 11:23:51

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      #39669
      Patrick Astill
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        @patrickastill74203
        #127250
        Diane Carney
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          @dianecarney30678

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          #127255
          Ian P
          Participant
            @ianp

            Patrick

            I think your proposal is very laudable and it will be of interest to many of us, whilst it not essential, this social media stuff is becoming more and more part of our daily life so it might as well include hone engineering.

            There is a BUT though….

            Would it not be better if, rather than adding something new, MyTimeMedia put its resources into getting the existing system working properly?

            Since presumably you are new moderator I have no way of knowing whether you are new to MTM, new to the forum etc, or maybe a longstanding MTM employee tasked with introducing the new feature. As a consequence the points I raise may not all be pertinent to the subject.

            • All contributors (including moderators) have the 'number of posts' shown with their avatar. Your posting does not conform in that respect, why is that?
            • If you browse through the last couple of years postings you will see a substantial quantity is on the subject of the truly awful software that runs this site.
            • To my knowledge, in spite of very many forum members making requests and suggestions to fix the various website problems and anomolies, My Time Media never appear to take any notice and don't even acknowledge direct requests.
            • One of the forum topic subjects is 'Website Questions, Comments and Suggestions'. What is the purpose of allowing members to make suggestions if they are totally ignored?
            • The editors have done, and still do, their best to solve some of the recurring website problems but surely that is not what they should be doing?

            So, as a humble member, I welcome you to the forum and hope that we all benefit from your presence.

            Ian P

            #127256
            Patrick Astill
            Participant
              @patrickastill74203

              Hi Ian,

              Thanks for your thoughts and your welcome.

              THE GOOD NEWS is that MyTimeMedia does listen and will soon be rolling out its new web template for model-engineer.co.uk. It will work better and be visually more appealling.

              (I have no idea why the number of posts doesn't come up under my name. I'll find out)

              Patrick

              PS <edit> It's there now – must have been because I'd only made the one post!)

              Edited By Patrick Astill on 19/08/2013 13:01:23

              #127262
              Russell Eberhardt
              Participant
                @russelleberhardt48058
                Posted by Patrick Astill on 19/08/2013 12:59:59:THE GOOD NEWS is that MyTimeMedia does listen and will soon be rolling out its new web template for model-engineer.co.uk. It will work better and be visually more appealling.
                 

                Welcome to the forum Patrick. I hope you can provide a useful link between the members and MTM.

                Personally speaking, I could't care less about the "more visually appealing" part. It would be nice if the site just worked as it should and if the staff were more responsive to complaints.

                There have long been complaints about the site not working properly with various browsers and operating systems. The first thing that should be done is to ensure that the code conforms to the published World Wide Web Consortium rules. As an example when I submitted this page to their validation service it came up with 16 code errors. It is not surprising therefore that users experience problems.

                Russell.

                Edited By Russell Eberhardt on 19/08/2013 13:58:04

                #127270
                Bazyle
                Participant
                  @bazyle

                  W3C so that's not much guarantee. The best thing is not to use an obscure browser like Opera.

                  I think it would be very unfair to provide features to people who have been drawn into the snare of driveller.com and mugbook. Is it likely that those that frequent such media will in the end decide to subscribe to a printed publication? You may just be making more work for yourselves in maintaining it.

                  #127273
                  John Hinkley
                  Participant
                    @johnhinkley26699

                    I hope this doesn't mean the site is going to turn into a

                    "I've just had cornflakes for breakfast and now I'm going to turn metal into swarf" – type forum.

                    If it does, I'll be taking my toys (carefully) out of the pram and going to play on my own in the corner……. But then I am a bit of an old fuddy-duddy, or so I'm constantly told!

                    John

                    #127276
                    Russell Eberhardt
                    Participant
                      @russelleberhardt48058
                      Posted by Bazyle on 19/08/2013 16:15:05:

                      W3C so that's not much guarantee. The best thing is not to use an obscure browser like Opera.

                      W3C members include Apple, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla, and Opera so, provided a web page's code complies with W3C, you stand a reasonable chance that it will work with their browsers. If you don't comply with the standards then the results on different browsers are unpredictable. So the best, and easiest thing is to check your code!

                      I agree completely with your remarks re., Driveller and Mugbooksmiley

                      Russell.

                      #127277
                      Patrick Astill
                      Participant
                        @patrickastill74203

                        The forum here is, of course, what you make it.

                        The new social stuff is simply another way to help US share YOUR enthusiasm of this hobby, because each time we post, it reaches new people who might just be enthused enough to enjoy it as you do … people who may never have thought of taking it up until they saw one pictures of one of their workmates – or a friend of a friend who goes out every week to volunteer at a railway circuit.

                        There are already around 350 twitter followers of our news, and 40 or so on facebook. We’re posting hobby images on pinterest too and that’s starting to take off with 125 followers, despite only a few images posted so far. Youtube will also be tweaked in due course…

                        It’s about sharing, friends of friends, like-minded people and new audiences who will find us – and keep the hobby alive – via our varied channels. We can all take it or leave it. If we enjoy what you get out of ME through the channels you already use, that’s great news but I’d still like to help new people find us here.

                        #127282
                        Hairy Pete
                        Participant
                          @hairypete39644

                          The new social stuff is simply another way to help US share

                          It’s about sharing

                          I'm curious to know how you square this with your opening statement:

                          We are planning exclusive competitions and give-aways on facebook …

                          ?

                          H.P.

                          #127284
                          John McNamara
                          Participant
                            @johnmcnamara74883

                            Hello Patrick

                            Hmmm….. I do not have a Facebook page or a Twitter account.

                            Twitter space is for the birds. Birds with small brains that can only converse with a few words at a time. Good for politicians.

                            Facebook in the beginning was a useful tool until they changed the format, in favour of rather blatant exploitation of the users privacy. Identity theft is a real possibility unless all the security settings are turned on.

                            Maybe new media will bring in a few new chums to the fold but to keep their interest forums like this one are a better format, a format that enables real conversation and knowledge exchange.

                            I concur with the other comments made re getting this site working properly.

                            Regards
                            John.

                            Edited By John McNamara on 19/08/2013 17:55:01

                            #127285
                            Gray62
                            Participant
                              @gray62

                              Facebook, Twitter, pinterest (never heard of this one)

                              What use are they if the basis of them is a p!$$n poorly written site that does not fully comply with current web development practices!!

                              We have long been berating the site owners and have long been ignored!

                              Why is it that MTM are incapable of communicating with those who, in effect are the mainstay of this sites existence!!

                              We always seem to hear of these changes through a 3rd party.

                              Are MTM incapable of communicating with their readership?

                              Graeme

                              #127297
                              Patrick Astill
                              Participant
                                @patrickastill74203

                                Hairy Pete – people share and join in!

                                John McNamara – Exactly! The forum comes first.

                                CoalBurner – Point taken.

                                #127299
                                Sub Mandrel
                                Participant
                                  @submandrel

                                  "I've just had cornflakes for breakfast and now I'm going to turn metal into swarf" – type forum.

                                  Was that one of Oubailie – Geoff's signature comments <ducks>

                                  Seriously, though I can uderstand why you wnat to link into the social media, but as I keep banging on at work, its fine having loads of people following us on twitter, but its the ones using the website who count.

                                  The challenge is to ensure the website is as engaging as possible so when they visit the look around and come back.

                                  The good thing about this website is lots of positive freely generated content.

                                  The downsides are poor functionaility and dowdy appearance (I don't want glitz, but the colours are a bit drab!)

                                  Neil

                                  #127303
                                  Peter E
                                  Participant
                                    @petere

                                    I look at this as follows.

                                    I am still workingfor a living so time for hobby activities is limited to evenings and weekends/vacation. Then trying to keep up to date on some forums lessens available shop time even further.

                                    So, social media is something that I skip and don't read at all. Not facebook, not twitter and what is Pinterest??? Furthermore, the legal setup of facebook where you have to renounce your copyright to FB is something that I even less agree with.

                                    Therefore any activities in "social media" is out of question to me.

                                    BR

                                    /Peter

                                    #127308
                                    mechman48
                                    Participant
                                      @mechman48

                                      Welcome,

                                      Stay away from social media, just concentrate on getting this site working correctly, i.e autosave comments in replies,(other forums can do it why can't MEW?) on more than one occasion I have written comments & when refering back to other pages or my pc folders for information I return only to find the comments have been deleted (not saved) & I have had to start again,(as in this example), have now resorted to copy text to a word doc then at least I can copy & paste back again! another annoyance is having the ads cover comments on occasions.. the ads column has been located at least a third of the way in from the right & I have given up trying to read some posts due to this. A proper working forum site is worth more than some social media access… & what the hell is 'pinterest'? … Oh I see… just clicked on link & found out that it is just a quick ref. to articles gleaned from the digital archives thinking.

                                      Cheers

                                      George.

                                      #127310
                                      John Stevenson 1
                                      Participant
                                        @johnstevenson1

                                        Twitter ?

                                        Facebook ??

                                        Bah Humbug.

                                        Stuff this social media, what's wrong with being anti social ?

                                        And before I forget only limp wristed wimps have cornflakes for brecky, whats wrong with kippers, black pudding and fried bread ?

                                        LBSC / Edgar T / Geometer [ delete as required ] would be turning in their graves, even the celebrated George H had wheatabix.

                                        #127314
                                        Sub Mandrel
                                        Participant
                                          @submandrel

                                          > would be turning in their graves

                                          I'm sure that's what they hoped to be doing…

                                          Calm down hand have some gluten-free vegan muesli.

                                          Neil

                                          #127315
                                          Ziggar
                                          Participant
                                            @ziggar

                                             

                                            just get the freaking forum working properly !

                                            people have been calling and screaming for it to be fixed for years yet they been taken notice of

                                            theres enough old threads out there complaining of errors and anomalies to give anyone enough evidence that it needs fixing

                                            if you want to be taken seriously, get it fixed

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            Edited By Ziggar on 19/08/2013 21:52:00

                                            #127316
                                            _Paul_
                                            Participant
                                              @_paul_

                                              Facebook, Twitter & Pinterest? is perhaps something for a "different" generation….

                                              Very good point from Ziggar about fixing the site problems first, this must be one of the worst BB layouts I have seen why dont you take a leaf from HSM or PM and use some "proper" and user friendly BB software.

                                              #127317
                                              Jo
                                              Participant
                                                @jo

                                                Patrick: Back to your original question no I don't waste my time on social media sites I would prefer to be in my workshop making swarf. I do participate in forums such as this.

                                                As for competitions: no thanks. Give aways: in the 20 years I subscribed to Model Engineer I never actually received one of their give aways or free gifts…

                                                I think you need to understand your audience. Most model engineers are not teenagers. And we are not very good at making our hobby accessible to those who are: For instance when did they last teach imperial measurements in school… but most of our new designs are still using those measurements: the kids just struggle to get it.

                                                The kids also find website/forums which have functionality challenges a turn off….

                                                Jo

                                                #127318
                                                Richard Marks
                                                Participant
                                                  @richardmarks80868

                                                  Patrick

                                                  Re Jo, I thoroughly agree, this site is for model engineering not social networking, re freebies I havent seen one for years as I regularly renew my subscriptions and anyway I probably have it already or a better quality one, you would be better off listening to the people on here instead of wasting time and money trying to give people stuff they dont need or want, I agree that we should encourage youngsters into engineering but as the respective goverments have concentrated more on trying to save money instead of using it to train the next generation of mechanical engineers all they are taught now is that we live in a land of cheaply made throwaway products that grow on trees or are sourced from third world countries.

                                                  Think ive said enough, time for my cocoa and warm slippers. ( make that a large malt and a good book )

                                                  Dick

                                                  #127321
                                                  Pinstrip
                                                  Participant
                                                    @pinstrip

                                                    Hi

                                                    "Hmmm….. I do not have a Facebook page or a Twitter account"

                                                    Same with me…no Twitter….no Facebook….

                                                    But I do have a workshop with a lathe and a Milling machine

                                                    #127325
                                                    NJH
                                                    Participant
                                                      @njh

                                                      Well Patrick

                                                      From the tone of the majority of comments you've got an uphill struggle to persuade any of the posters here that a social media presence is desireable. Very discouraging for you I suspect. The thing is though that for many, myself included, the likes of Facebook and Twitter have a bad name. I'm appaled by the foul and vindictive posts and on line bullying made by some younger folk and equally dismayed by our elected representatives sitting (at our expense) in the House of Commons tweeting mindless comments.

                                                      The thing is too that both these methods of "communication" are of the quick, short and instant quote / reaction variety. Model engineering is not like that. It is an activity that requires thought, consideration, patience and care. It is not a process that can be mastered quickly but one which takes much time to develop the necessary skills and to aquire the necessary knowledge. That is its attraction.

                                                      This site is a gem where pretty much any question gets an answer and the quality of advice is good. "Social media" – no thanks.

                                                      Norman

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