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  • #426170
    Richard Hooper
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      @richardhooper74119

      Good day,

      I have been sorting through a load of taps I have been given and come across these two:

      0.300 x 28 TPI

      0.400 x 28TPI

      I cant find any more info about them and I am drawing a blank looking on the web too. They both have the crows foot mark on them. At first I thought they could be BSCY but there 26TPI across the different diameters. Any help will be much appreciated.

      Best regards

      Rich.

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      #39512
      Richard Hooper
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        @richardhooper74119
        #426200
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Greetings, Rich.

          Our friend Google just found this for me: **LINK**

          https://www.efunda.com/designstandards/screws/screw28un.cfm

          MichaelG.

          #426207
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            At the museum, having had many donations of tools over the years, we have many taps which were made for specific jobs in industry. Many only have factory code numbers and can never be identified, and others which are usable at first glance, have + or – tolerances added, which could be disastrous. My favourites are a set of three 0.7" buttress thread taps, they look wonderful, but I cannot think of a use for them.

            #426209
            colin hawes
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              @colinhawes85982

              BSP 28 tpi threads come close. Colin

              Edited By colin hawes on 27/08/2019 15:42:11

              #426247
              Nick Clarke 3
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                @nickclarke3
                Posted by old mart on 27/08/2019 15:35:06:

                At the museum, having had many donations of tools over the years, we have many taps which were made for specific jobs in industry. Many only have factory code numbers and can never be identified, and others which are usable at first glance, have + or – tolerances added, which could be disastrous. My favourites are a set of three 0.7" buttress thread taps, they look wonderful, but I cannot think of a use for them.

                In a similar situation to the museum I have see threads used on linen and paper presses and the buttress makes sense, but the 0.7" is surprising.

                #426288
                Richard Hooper
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                  @richardhooper74119

                  Thank you for the prompt replies. Never heard of 28-UN who knew…….. Think that one will be in the "come in handy" section of the tap drawer, never to see the light of day again.

                  Thanks again.

                  Rich.

                  #426290
                  David Standing 1
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                    @davidstanding1
                    Posted by Richard Hooper on 28/08/2019 07:48:14:

                    Thank you for the prompt replies. Never heard of 28-UN who knew…….. Think that one will be in the "come in handy" section of the tap drawer, never to see the light of day again.

                    Thanks again.

                    Rich.

                    You probably have heard of UN threads.

                    UN stands for Unified, and is is the standard US thread standard.

                    Within that you have UNF (unified fine)

                    UNC (unified coarse)

                    UNEF (unified extra fine)

                    UNS (unified special – custom/non standard UN threads drop into this category)

                    #426292
                    Richard Hooper
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                      @richardhooper74119

                      Sorry, yes had heard of UNF, UNC etc but not the constant pitch series. Is there a reference book on all threads? Or is that a daft question? I have a zeus book but that is missing quite a few.

                      #426304
                      David Standing 1
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                        @davidstanding1

                        Richard

                        The constant pitch threads are just a subset within Unified, as are UNS, the specials. They aren't in common use, but a standard does exist for them.

                        As you correctly stated earlier, BSCY is also a constant pitch thread at 26 tpi, as is BSB (Brass), which, although also 26 tpi, is confusingly NOT the same as BSCY!

                        I have a number of reference books I use for for threads – Machinery's Handbook, Kempe's, Newnes, IMechE, but my go to first choice for the most common threads is normally Harold Hall's Metalworker's Data Book, no. 42 in the Workshop Practice series.

                        Edited By David Standing 1 on 28/08/2019 09:51:57

                        #426308
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb
                          Posted by David Standing 1 on 28/08/2019 09:48:49:

                          As you correctly stated earlier, BSCY is also a constant pitch thread at 26 tpi,

                          Only when it gets to 1/4" and larger, smaller diameters use 32 & 40tpi

                          #426313
                          David Standing 1
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                            @davidstanding1
                            Posted by JasonB on 28/08/2019 10:03:17:

                            Posted by David Standing 1 on 28/08/2019 09:48:49:

                            As you correctly stated earlier, BSCY is also a constant pitch thread at 26 tpi,

                            Only when it gets to 1/4" and larger, smaller diameters use 32 & 40tpi

                            Jason

                            You are right, and I should know that, having old British bikes and rebuilding them!

                            #426336
                            Alistair Robertson 1
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                              @alistairrobertson1

                              Threads! Don't get me started!

                              When I was working at a research establishment we had equipment from all over the world and the headaches of connecting bits together was unbelievable.

                              We had a Robertson Guide to Screw Threads book and although it covered everything from 3, an Israeli copy of BSP. to Zs a Hungarian thread of 40mm x 6 tpi.? we still got some connections and fittings that defied logic.

                              I still have a copy of "The Robertson Guide to World Screw Thread Series Symbols" produced by W. H. A. Robertson and Co. Ltd. Lynton Works. Bedford. England. who made dies and chasers.

                              A truly wonderful publication with some REALLY strange threads, such as.

                              Artillerie (French)

                              British Standard Insulator (Cordeaux)

                              Sewing Machine 100 (German)

                              Round 30 degree. (Switzerland)

                              Bearing Form B (German "Klammergewinde&quot truly amazing and I don't know how you could make it!

                              or how about American Aero Thread or Dardelet.

                              Humans really know how to complicate things.

                              #430356
                              Nigel Graham 2
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                                @nigelgraham2

                                Also, manufacturers sometimes use non-standard, politely called "b*****d", threads so you have to buy only their fittings. Those 28tpi taps may have been examples.

                                I have an idea the Dardalet thread was developed for a particular type of service, but I don't recall what. Oil-well drill-strings? There is a thread-form designed for them. The Cordeaux insulator thread may be similar to the bottle-thread, one that can be moulded in ceramics or glass, such as in the pottery insulators on the old open telephone wires. I looked it up, and Klammergewinde seems to be a bearing manufacturer's name.

                                Oh, and who had the bright idea that those common, flanged nuts to standard M-series threads should have their wrong, or non-M-series, A/F sizes to loose tolerances and large draught angles?

                                '

                                Some 30 years ago I made a spare connector for the Mendip [Cave] Rescue Organisation's warm-air breathing-kit, used to ward off hypothermia. It uses a CO2 reaction with soda-lime in a heat-exchanger, and the gas is from a pub-trade keg cartridge.

                                Measuring the original showed metric of a particular pitch; but could I find it, even in any of the comprehensive reference-books at work?

                                Nothing for it but to screw-cut it… on the only lathe I had then, an E.W. Stringer-made, 2.5" BGSC machine with 1/8"-lead screw and change-wheels in 5s from (I think without going and looking) 25 to 65… I succeeded, but I have no idea if that connector has seen service. Probably not, except perhaps in training sessions, as it was a spare and real casualty rescues are rare.

                                #430367
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 25/09/2019 00:36:35:

                                  Also, manufacturers sometimes use non-standard, politely called "b*****d", threads

                                  [ … ]

                                  .

                                  I have to wonder why you find it necessary to pretend to conceal the word ‘bastard

                                  … Its use is [if I may be excused an apparent contradiction] legitimate in this context.

                                  The word is technically appropriate to non-standard ‘born out of wedlock’ threads

                                  .

                                  Surely; replacing some letters with asterisks does not make the word any more, or any less, polite

                                  < rant over >

                                  MichaelG.

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 25/09/2019 09:10:43

                                  #430369
                                  Ian Johnson 1
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                                    @ianjohnson1

                                    They are certainly very unusual threads, thought they might be a UN series thread so I had a look in my Engineers and Machinists Reference Table handbook. There is a Unified 28 TPI Thread Series (28UN) and the closest is 5/16" 0.3125".

                                    The handbook is by B.B.Babani and is full of good info for the machinist

                                    Ian

                                    #430371
                                    Ian Johnson 1
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                                      @ianjohnson1
                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/09/2019 09:10:11:

                                      Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 25/09/2019 00:36:35:

                                      Also, manufacturers sometimes use non-standard, politely called "b*****d", threads

                                      [ … ]

                                      .

                                      I have to wonder why you find it necessary to pretend to conceal the word ‘bastard

                                      … Its use is [if I may be excused an apparent contradiction] legitimate in this context.

                                      The word is technically appropriate to non-standard ‘born out of wedlock’ threads

                                      .

                                      Surely; replacing some letters with asterisks does not make the word any more, or any less, polite

                                      < rant over >

                                      MichaelG.

                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 25/09/2019 09:10:43

                                      And don't forget the good old Bastard files, I've got loads of them

                                      Ian

                                      #430387
                                      Neil Wyatt
                                      Moderator
                                        @neilwyatt

                                        The moderators have no issues with such words being used in their proper contexts – bowdlerisation of engineering terms is not necessary.

                                        Neil

                                        #430586
                                        Nick Clarke 3
                                        Participant
                                          @nickclarke3

                                          Just been reminded of a weird thread – Leica Screw Mount lenses (LSM) were 39mm dia x 26tpi whitform – now theres an odd mix if ever there was one.

                                          The USSR simplified it to 39mm dia x 1mm pitch – 23 thou of a mm larger pitch which presumably takes account of any minor threadform variations.

                                          Leica lenses will screw into Russian cameras and Russian lenses into a Leica – I have both here – but there can be other differences as well.

                                          Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 26/09/2019 18:14:24

                                          #430588
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133
                                            Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 26/09/2019 18:13:26:

                                            Just been reminded of a weird thread – Leica Screw Mount lenses (LSM) were 39mm dia x 26tpi whitform – now theres an odd mix if ever there was one.

                                            The USSR simplified it to 39mm dia x 1mm pitch – 23 thou of a mm larger pitch which presumably takes account of any minor threadform variations.

                                            Leica lenses will screw into Russian cameras and Russian lenses into a Leica – I have both here – but there can be other differences as well.

                                            .

                                            There has been some quite robust discussion about this, recently, Nick

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #430590
                                            Nick Clarke 3
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                                              @nickclarke3
                                              Posted by Michael Gilligan on 26/09/2019 18:23:14:

                                              Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 26/09/2019 18:13:26:

                                              Just been reminded of a weird thread – Leica Screw Mount lenses (LSM) were 39mm dia x 26tpi whitform – now theres an odd mix if ever there was one.

                                              The USSR simplified it to 39mm dia x 1mm pitch – 23 thou of a mm larger pitch which presumably takes account of any minor threadform variations.

                                              Leica lenses will screw into Russian cameras and Russian lenses into a Leica – I have both here – but there can be other differences as well.

                                              .

                                              There has been some quite robust discussion about this, recently, Nick

                                              MichaelG.

                                              Michael

                                              Can't find it using LTM or Leica as search terms on this site – have you a reference?

                                              Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 26/09/2019 18:28:48

                                              #430625
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                                Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 26/09/2019 18:28:37:

                                                Michael

                                                Can't find it using LTM or Leica as search terms on this site – have you a reference?

                                                .

                                                Here you go, Nick

                                                **LINK**

                                                MichaelG.

                                                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/09/2019 21:49:45

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