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  • #39369
    Gas_mantle.
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      #211602
      Gas_mantle.
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        @gas_mantle

        Hi,

        Is there any chance the site could help promote more 'build' threads and in particular those of beginners ? It seems at the moment the site is slowly drifting away from its main focus with chat on all manner of subjects whilst the 'build' threads get less and less.

        At the moment out of all the postings on the site there is only 1 (possibly 2) active build threads yet the site should be full of them. These are the threads that generate interest and engineering discussion, why not promote them more ?

        At the moment with the site in disarray if someone wants to show some work they've done it ends up lost in the multitude of vague topic headings to the point nobody bothers anymore.

        I won't name names but another regularly used engineering forum is full of build logs / photos / ideas / advice, yet here no-one seems bothered.

        Come on mods lets have a shake up, get things back on track, lets promote build threads and encourage beginners to show their simple projects etc.

        Peter.

        #211627
        nigel jones 5
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          @nigeljones5

          That bloke above has a very good point !

          #211637
          Mark P.
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            @markp

            I quite agree.

            #211641
            Nick Thorpe
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              @nickthorpe64546

              I agree with Peter and I have learnt so much from build threads on other sites, not just with locos but also with restoring my pillar drill and mill. I am in the early stages of building a 5" Sweet Pea but sadly don't feel inclined to share my progress on here. Equally I only chat to a few friends about progress at my club, preferring not to get involved in the open forum discussions about what I am doing which can be counter productive and discouraging.

              Regards. Nick.

              #211647
              David Colwill
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                @davidcolwill19261

                I agree that for some reason there doesn't seem to be as many but put this down to the fact that the site changes over time. There have been long periods where there is nothing of interest here at all (for me) and also periods where there has been many threads that I have followed. That said Clives bee keeping is always fascinating and Neils / others astronomical bits and pieces are of interest.

                Regards

                David

                #211648
                julian atkins
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                  @julianatkins58923

                  i posted a few pics of my current build with no comment so have given up posting on a thread and progress is via my albums instead without comment.

                  for miniature loco builders the modeleng.proboards.com site is great and full of knowledgeable people with excellent work and lots of build threads some of which are really pushing the boundaries such as Roger Froud's Speedy thread. most of them started off here, but got such a poor response they have 'gone over'. that is a bit of shame and reflects poorly on ME and MEW.

                  in addition to Roger's revolutionary Speedy in 5"g, there are a couple of excellent Don Young 5"g Doncaster threads, an excellent 3.5"g Doris thread from down under plus an excellent 5"g Brit down under, plus much else besides including my own current 5"g terrier build. detailed extremely informative threads on driving, superheaters, injectors, DRO, tooling etc. even long threads on types of coal!

                  **LINK**

                  cheers,

                  julian

                  Edited By julian atkins on 11/11/2015 23:15:57

                  #211654
                  Gas_mantle.
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                    @gas_mantle

                    Many thanks for the feedback guys, 5 replies and 5 supporting the point I'm making.

                    It's useful to read the info about morse tapers and 12mm reamers etc but the threads that get new traffic to the site and promote general interest are those that show pictures of builds or talk about build progress etc.

                    A lot of new visitors to this site (and potentially new magazine subscribers) are interested in seeing what people have built, how they did it etc, they are looking for ideas. A considerable number of these people are beginners, they want to see how someone built a simple wobbler or maybe a Stirling engine.

                    I'm a complete beginner to this game having only been at it for 6mths but have so far built 2 working engines and 2 others part finished, I'd happily show photo build threads including mistakes to generate discussion / share ideas etc but at the moment it feels like build threads get in the way.

                    Here's a couple of pics of 2 engines I'm currently on with, neither of them are award winners but satisfying to achieve as a beginner.

                    The first is intended to work off a tea light candle once I've built the boiler next week, the second is a bigger wobbler which I think will work but is going to need a bigger boiler than the camping kettle I now use !!

                    mini brass wobbler 2.jpg

                    engines misc (5).jpg

                    Peter.

                    Edited By Peter Nichols on 11/11/2015 23:34:29

                    #211655
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      Peter,

                      It looks like the next 'build thread' has just started.

                      **LINK**

                      MichaelG.

                      #211656
                      Paul Lousick
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                        @paullousick59116

                        I also agree with Peter,

                        Build projects do get lost in the many articles about specific problems that we have with machining but do not show the model that we are working on. A description and photos of our model projects would be of great interest. (having said that, I will now have to put something together for MEW)

                        Paul.

                        #211667
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          I'd love to see more too but have found it to be a loosing battle, with my fellow Mods wanting to add topics about Astronomy and motorbikes the core subject of whats going on in peoples workshops will only get diluted further.

                          Its a sad fact that to help a beginner who joins this forum for advice it is often better to direct them to other forums such as the one Julian mentions for Locos, Traction Talk for TEs and the likes of MEM, HMEM for IC and stationary steam subjects.

                          Its all very well chatting away in far more depth and going off topic but a beginner really wants pictures to look at as they can convey whats happening far better than a page full of posts.

                          I too have put several builds on here but as others have said there is very little interaction and the posted will feel like they are talking to themselves. Current build is not being posted as it should be going into ME but I have been showing the odd completed part in the workshop thread. It would be nice to see more in there even as I would hope there is more being made out there.

                          J

                          #211672
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            Posted by JasonB on 12/11/2015 07:47:25:

                            I'd love to see more too but have found it to be a loosing battle …

                            I too have put several builds on here but as others have said there is very little interaction and the posted will feel like they are talking to themselves.

                            .

                            Jason,

                            May I make one very serious point ?

                            The problem seems to be one of getting the right balance of 'interaction'.

                            … I have never built a model engine, and probably never shall; so my only interaction with one of your build threads is likely to be "that looks wonderful, Jason", or-else something that effectively takes he thread off-topic.

                            Are these proposed build-threads intended to be 'demonstrations' [in which case they should be largely free of audience participation], or 'master classes' [in which case the discussion would be between the worthy], or 'this is what I'm doing … but I may need some advice' … or what?

                            I'm very happy to see any or all of these on the forum … 'though I may not feel it appropriate to participate in some of them. … It might help if the builder clearly stated his/her expectations in the subtitle.

                            MichaelG.

                            #211673
                            Gas_mantle.
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                              @gas_mantle

                              Jason, you've hit the nail on the head.

                              There's now so many subjects that the site is no longer an engineering forum, it's now little more than a site to discuss anything by people who are interested in engineering.

                              Let's be honest here, 1 guy is good enough to post ongoing build updates of his engine but people seem more interested in discussing the Andromeda galaxy or carbon emissions in electricity generation – what on earth have they got to do with model engineering ?

                              It could be a great site, there's are loads of experienced engineers here and I'd bet nearly all would love to help less experienced people by seeing their build threads.

                              Come on mods get your heads together, give Jason a bit of support and let's try to get things back on track.

                              Peter.

                              #211678
                              jason udall
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                                @jasonudall57142

                                I think Michael G ‘s point is the crux of it.

                                Does one expect to OWN a thread created as a build log.. ( there have been such and any discussion of it has been condemed as hijacking the thread)..so beyond ooh. .. aar… shiny …..pretty much all comments cease.
                                Thus build threads get a bit sterile.

                                Also if its a thread on a subject/build that doesn’t appeal to others..no comments are added…
                                We cannot all build the same things thus we are not all intested in the same threads.
                                Looking at the longest running threads with most comments /views..seems general technique has a wider appeal.

                                This brings me to what I see as the real problem.

                                How many of us just goe to “latest” posts rather than the subject subdivision?
                                In doing this you see the last say 20 threads posted on..which will be the “active” ones…a thread that Fred posts on once a week /month..will get buried and fall of the list…
                                ..my suggestion?

                                Use the forum and follow those threads that intrest you…even if nothing is posted there for years. .
                                Leave the “popular” threads alone if they don’t appeal and sit back and relax untroubled by any new posting week on week.

                                Joking aside serious threads are more slow growing and at present do get buried so people can’t always find them again…this is a user problem and maybe a help/faq on how to “filter” threads needs writing. ..

                                #211684
                                Involute Curve
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                                  @involutecurve

                                  Personally I think one of the problems is both ME and MEW share this forum, I have an interest in ME but my primary passion is Motorcycles, my workshop is build around building them, having said that I have made clocks, and I have build my own aero engines for model aircraft, I am also building a 9F Loco, I make my own circuit boards, I often write software, I have a passive interest in astronomy.

                                  I use forums for some of these interests, however sometimes I don't, for instance I am not on any electronics forums or aero modelling forums, I don't expect any forum to only include the stuff I'm interested in.

                                  I do read a lot of stuff one here but mostly the bits that interest me the other stuff I simply skip, but sometimes I spot a gem……

                                  I have a friend who's a bit OCD, he has his own forum, it has one member, only he can post, he keeps it off line though because he hates criticism. smile p

                                  Shaun

                                  #211685
                                  Gas_mantle.
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                                    @gas_mantle

                                    I'm not sure I get this point of build threads being 'sterile' – my guess is when the builder creates a thread of his or her work it's to prompt discussion / share ideas etc.

                                    I can't speak for everyone but the few build postings I've made, I have made it clear I'm a beginner and welcome any tips / ideas / criticisms etc.

                                    I'd be more than happy to do a few more 'beginner builds' if I thought people would get active in discussing and sharing ideas. The bigger of the 2 wobbler engines I'm building has reached a bit of a glitch but I'd have no problem sharing photos of the work so far including the mistakes in order that I can get some advice and at the same time promote a healthy discussion in order that others can learn or get a few ideas.

                                    #211695
                                    jason udall
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                                      @jasonudall57142

                                      ..sterile…

                                      Ok maybe not a perfect choice of word…

                                      But from memory I have seen posts where the originator …seems to err..object to others comments… at all.

                                      Fine.
                                      Simularly if a thread is closed ( in the sense of open or closed questions. ..) one might not expect much discussion.

                                      I am just saying that the occasional quiet ( with regard to “builds”) period will happen and in a fora where there might be ten-twenty live threads..the quiet threads will get shuffled down…

                                      Lets ask why an individual would visit and or post.
                                      To look for answer to maybe a specific build question.. “are the drawings wrong? “
                                      To ask ” why does my silver solder refuse to flow?”
                                      To ask “how do I solder the fripple nut on the lsbc xyz loco version xxii”..the latter posed as “xyz loco fripple nut”…
                                      Now the latter I would skip from the title… but any hints/tips on soldering I would read…

                                      #211696
                                      jason udall
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                                        @jasonudall57142

                                        Btw Peter those wobblers ( I always think thats an unfairly disparaging word for a simple/elegant solution to a problem) are nice work..
                                        We all sometimes need a bit of reassurance that we aren’t the only one who loves these funny little machines…perhaps that is one of the points of build threads

                                        #211705
                                        Gas_mantle.
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                                          @gas_mantle

                                          Thanks Jason,

                                          The little wobbler runs well but I've not made a very good job of the big one. I think I can get it to work but I need a bit of a rethink.

                                          The idea of the big one was to make an engine that has a bit of oomph but makes a lot of noise and mess smiley I've made it up as I'm going along so it's not very well proportioned (the big end bearing is too big and the stroke is too short for the bore making it a bit stubby).

                                          It's a double acting and the flywheel will be overhead although the photo isn't very good, to be honest though so long as it works and makes a lot of noise I'll be happy smiley

                                          #211706
                                          Engine Builder
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                                            @enginebuilder

                                            Not quite what was asked for but here is a comprehensive build in video.

                                            #211712
                                            Cornish Jack
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                                              @cornishjack

                                              I'm at a bit of a loss as to the OP's perceived problem.

                                              There is, as far as I can see, no problem with publishing build threads on the forum – see Garry's current efforts. On a personal note i would prefer JS's contributions (irreverent or otherwise!) or Jason's succinct one-off explanations of techniques which he employs. Motor cycles, astronomy, etc. excellent 'brain food' and all the more attractive for it. If PN wishes to publish his day-to-day efforts, fine, but I really don't see self-publicising as necessarily the prime objective of a general model engineering forum. If I wanted build sequences, I would go to any of the dedicated fora but on this one, I like the diversification – my two-penn'orth (or throw away washers in new currency!!wink)

                                              rgds

                                              Bill

                                              #211714
                                              nigel jones 5
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                                                @nigeljones5

                                                To be honest I recieved a very good reception to my 'building a boiler for less than £250' thread. But when I asked if anyone wanted a more indepth build thread on my current 71/4 Invicta no one was interested. Now if you arent interested in potentially saving yourself well over a thousand pounds by building your own then you arent interested at all!

                                                #211719
                                                julian atkins
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                                                  @julianatkins58923

                                                  i think the main problem is that this forum, like the ME magazine, is not specialised enough.

                                                  'model engineering' is too broad a church. most model engineers have just a few specific interests.

                                                  hence the more specialised forums that Jason and i have referred to contain lots of extremely interesting build threads.

                                                  i will chip in when something catches my eye on this forum and if i think i can contribute hopefully usefully, but rarely will this be outside my own areas of interest model engineering-wise.

                                                  i see no point in doing a build thread on here for one of my miniature steam locos. it is not a case of wanting praise, or accepting criticism. it is simply the fact that no one seems to be interested! on the other hand the specialised forums create the most amazing feedback/flow of ideas/suggestions and i have received a huge amount of help and made many new friends all over the world.

                                                  cheers,

                                                  julian

                                                  #211722
                                                  Gas_mantle.
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                                                    @gas_mantle

                                                    I agree Julian, the site needs to decide what its market is.

                                                    The hobby is a 'broad church' but it seems to be ever widening with the inclusion now of astronomy / bee keeping / carbon emissions etc that the forum has lost its way and in now unclear about who it's trying to attract.

                                                    Let's face it the threads we all have a common interest in are engineering based but they are slowly taking a back seat to ever more diversity – would you buy an engineering magazine where the content had more discussion of astronomy and carbon emissions in power stations than it did of somebody showing photos of his engine building ?

                                                    Doesn't that fact that the posts of carbon emissions etc far way out number the of posts about building projects suggest something is wrong ?

                                                    Edited By Peter Nichols on 12/11/2015 13:03:29

                                                    Edited By Peter Nichols on 12/11/2015 13:04:08

                                                    #211726
                                                    jason udall
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                                                      @jasonudall57142

                                                      ” Would you by”…
                                                      I for one find the forum worth every penny I spend on it

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