Hi

They could be high speed steel but not as we know it! Probably shot out of the factory before they were finished . Seriously thanks for the warning, were they from a well known seller or one of more obscure sources that lurk there?

Cheers

Martin

Hi,

I trust you will lodge a dispute with Paypal and ask for a refund? I would say 'item not as described' should cover it.

Tony

Hi Julian

I have too bought from Chinese suppliers and frequently been surprised at the quality of the items received, mainly good. But it can be a lottery though a check on the feedback of the seller often reveals more than the actual percentage score, as you say though if you want a product that is guaranteed to do the job and last then purchasing from a recognised manufacturer is the way to go.

Cheers

Martin

PS

We had a cheapie shop locally and I also bought from that with good results, one being a long set of SDS drills that have been to hell and back and are nearly as good today as when bought.

One other thing.

Some time you buy cheap crap and it is.
Some times you buy quality and it isn’t. .

The quality assurance isn’t as hard and fast as it used to be.
The main difference seems to be the retailer. …your willingness and ability to return said crap.

Does anyone make drills in the UK now? They all seem to come from the Far East or South America.

I have found that most HK suppliers are good and will replace or refund a faulty item no questions asked. If they are crap tell them.

As for hardening them at home; If they are HSS then it is not practical. The temperatures are very critical and mustn't be exceeded.

Russell.

I can see reference to Dormer drills made in Brazil, China, and USA. Think they are owned by Sandvik(? spelling). Ian S C

It is all very well slating off far eastern products but without them myself and a good many more would not be members of this forum or be able to afford to do model engineering.

In a nutshell.

"Ripped off by a Seller on eBay!" Shock! Horror! Welcome to the 21st Century.
It doesn't matter whether the seller is based in the Far East or the UK, there are a great many sellers who sell "cheap" goods. I decline to use the word "shoddy" for the simple fact you KNOW a one pound milling cutter is not Tungsten Carbide produced in Solingen or Sheffield.

Just look around the town centres – Amusement Arcades, Banks, Fast Food Outlets and Pound Shops. Some people buy cheap and wonder why it breaks during use? We all like a bargain but really, you just know that if it is too good to be true it probably is.

Now, having said all of that it is possible to buy Far Eastern goods at terrific prices and if you are buying just small quantities at little money you won't incur import tax or VAT so it really can be a bargain. But trying to find a good seller of bargain priced goods on ebay is like sticking the tail on the Donkey! Research – and there are plenty of forums and review centres on the Internet so if you do your homework you can buy good at a reasonable price. You can't do this by just picking a seller and hoping for the best.

graham.

I get blacksmiths drills described as HSS from Tool Station . They are branded Silverline and all have given good

service. They are undoubtedly imported but Tool Station is just up the road and change any faulty items immediately and without quibble. From the latest catalogue 14mm £3.14 up to 25mm £8.59.

Eric

In No way relevant to choclate drills.

If one buys something from a vendor on ebay( other online aution sites are available)..and it fails to meet expectations. ….does one get the item price refunded or item +p&p…
I mean contractually. ..
It seems that the p&p was not faulty…
Thus is one entitled to refund of p&p ?

Now move on to this..In many cases the p&p seems inflated to make the “price” low but the whole transaction viable…
Eg.widget worth ( ?5)..ebay price ?1..p&p ?6..total price ?7..goods may or maynot be faulty but vendor still has ?7 sale

Edited By jason udall on 11/03/2014 18:31:43