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  • #577793
    Adam Harris
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      @adamharris13683

      Now I have increased the level of insulation for my small workshop, I am curious to note fluctuations in humidity as I vary the temperature, aiming to keep the minimum temperature around 10 deg. The best thing is obviously to buy a decent dehumidifier but anyway I am wondering if any members can recommend a hygrometer for the workshop that is both inexpensive (sub £25) and accurate. I have found online reviews of most cheap hygrometers rather disparaging regarding accuracy…..Thanks

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      #38636
      Adam Harris
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        #577794
        John Haine
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          @johnhaine32865

          I would guess that most cheapish hygrometers these days will be based on the integrated environmental sensor chips such as the Bosch BME 280. This measures temp, press and rel humidity and communicates them via a serial link to the controller/display. So it's unlikely that there will be much difference between the cheap units in terms of accuracy, and anyway does it really matter? Isn't what you are interested in is looking at how whatever they do measure changes with temperature etc?

          But I can recommend getting a dehumidifier – we got one from Machinemart years back and it has been a godsend. They still sell a small one for around £132 which is what we paid, though the unit is smaller.

          #577796
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            I have one of those little weather stations from Lidl which have a radio controlled clock, inside and outside temperatures, air pressure and a hygrometer. The temperatures and pressure are accurate as I can verify them against other instruments I have, so the hygrometer is probably quite good as well.

            #577797
            Adam Harris
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              @adamharris13683

              thanks – I believe the Lidl weather station is made by Auriol (German?) who make a variety of temp and humidity meters. The ones on Amazon seem to be all Asian with loads of buyers of brands such as Govee and ThermoPro but each with a very small minority of reviewers saying the humidity component is unreliable. Has anyone tried Bresser or any other Western brands?

              #577800
              Brian G
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                @briang

                What about a Tempo Disc ? We bought one after reading an earlier thread on workshop humidity.

                It is a £30 data logger rather than a display, but can be accessed at any time via bluetooth, with the logs showing on an android/IOS app as a graph showing humidity, temperature and dew point over time, Nice and compact, a bit bigger than a 50p coin and runs on a 2032 button cell.

                They are made in the UK and if you are serious about wanting a really accurate hygrometer they will test against a standard and issue a calibration certificate for an extra fee. If you want to fix it in place, the silicone hangers were out of stock when we got ours, so I downloaded an STL from Thingiverse and printed one.

                Brian G

                #577801
                duncan webster 1
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                  @duncanwebster1

                  How about a wet bulb hygrometer, none of this modern electronics stuff. Available on flea bay for ~£10

                  #577804
                  martin haysom
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                    @martinhaysom48469

                    another thumbs up for the dehumidifier got mine from Machine Mart. drain it daily this time of year. my cheepo hygrometer never moved much but the dampness went and the rust stopped so no idea what it's measuring

                    you ask for accurate ? what is being used as a standard to check

                    #577805
                    Adam Harris
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                      @adamharris13683

                      Very interesting as i was not aware of the wet bulb method – there is a Zeal P2505 for £20 incl postage – only downside is the temperature range is so large as to make the differences around the 10 deg -20 deg range a strain on the eye but a magnifying glass would sort that out. A definite possibility…

                      #577806
                      duncan webster 1
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                        @duncanwebster1

                        Another use ford a humidifier, we've stopped using the tumble drier, just hang washing in smallest room on a clothes horse (winter-hedge if you're from my neck of the woods), switch on the dehumidifier and it dries as is by magic

                        #577807
                        Adam Harris
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                          @adamharris13683

                          The dehumidifier is coming but I want to get a good hygrometer first so I can see the difference the heater and dehumdifier settings and run times make .

                          #577808
                          Adam Harris
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                            @adamharris13683

                            Tempo Disc £40 from firezy is best price I can find which is double my target price sadly

                            #577809
                            noel shelley
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                              @noelshelley55608

                              Takes me back to school days, Duncan has it, the wet buld hygrometer – very simple and almost nothing to go wrong. Noel

                              #577813
                              Bazyle
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                                @bazyle

                                Again, wet bulb. You only need to get one old fashioned high quality thermometer from a laboratory supplier and make alternate wet and dry measurements.

                                Alternatively just go with cheapo because after a while you will probably realise it is only the changes that are interesting and a rough value is enough. Ie when a warm damp front comes in you might be interested to see if he shed is damper even though you haven't opened the door, or if you 6 hour session sweating over hacksawing 500 widgets has made it worse.

                                #577814
                                Jon Lawes
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                                  @jonlawes51698

                                  I use a Sonoff TH16 which is a thermostatically or humidty controlled switch attached to the wifi network. So you can use it to switch on an off something (a 30w oven lamp under my lathe in this case) and also access it via the internet and it will give you an instantaneous reading of temp and humidty

                                  #577816
                                  Steviegtr
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                                    @steviegtr

                                    I have a fully home made insulated garage & workshop made from fridge panels. Video of manufacture on youtube. I also would like one of these devices to see what temp differences i have inner to outer. So will be interested in the answers to this question. My brother in law does have one of the Aldi ones but i'm not sure how accurate it is.

                                    Steve.

                                    #577819
                                    Adam Harris
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                                      @adamharris13683

                                      Jon that looks very good but how accurate do you think it is?

                                      #577821
                                      Adam Harris
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                                        @adamharris13683

                                        An accuracy test is to mix 100ml of water with 40g salt in a container and at ambient temperature of 21 deg C you should get a read of 74% humidity in the container

                                        #577828
                                        MikeK
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                                          @mikek40713

                                          I don't think you're going to find an accurate humidity sensor. It's the nature of the beast, I suspect. I've used two different, but supposedly accurate, sensors and gotten significant difference between them. I would just hope for consistency.

                                          #577839
                                          Journeyman
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                                            @journeyman

                                            Can't vouch for accuracy but I use a couple of these:-

                                            humiditymeter.jpg

                                            One to monitor the humidity inside a filament storage box and one outside the box in the workshop. From several suppliers at Amazon and similar for a couple of quid. Different styles and colours some have equal size temperature and humidity readouts. Press-fit into a hole about 45mm x 25mm or just leave them loose. Make useful fridge thermometers as well. More on filament storage box *** HERE ***

                                            John

                                            #577842
                                            not done it yet
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                                              @notdoneityet
                                              Posted by Adam Harris on 31/12/2021 23:12:25:

                                              An accuracy test is to mix 100ml of water with 40g salt in a container and at ambient temperature of 21 deg C you should get a read of 74% humidity in the container

                                              I have a fairly comprehensive list of humidity standards over saturated solutions of different salts. I expect they are all on the internet, somewhere. Here they are:

                                              **LINK**

                                              One needs to carefully exclude draughts if wanting to compare relative humidity with temperature change. Most youtube idiots tell you how much the humidity falls as their dehumidifier works away – but fail to acknowledge the temperature rise within the room which occurs due to the dehumidifier. Or maybe they are not idiots, just trying to fool the viewers.

                                              Assuming, here, that open fuel burning heaters are not being employed…..

                                              #577847
                                              Alan Wood 4
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                                                @alanwood4

                                                For those feeling more adventurous I designed an Arduino based Dewpoint Monitor for the workshop that displays the various parameters and if the dewpoint comes within a defined limit, it enables a power outlet to turn on heaters. The trigger point is defined in the Arduino code. More efficient than just leaving a heater on.

                                                I ran some 'proper' PCBs for our club members and have 5 or so left for first takers via PM or via my blog. If there is more demand than I might consider running some more boards. There is a download PDF write up on my blog via the link below

                                                Dewpoint monitor

                                                #577890
                                                Adam Harris
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                                                  @adamharris13683

                                                  Alan, I can see how it does make much better sense to focus on dewpoint than humidity, and in my case if I achieve 10deg C min temperature in my workshop with oil filled radiator , then if on the odd occasion that the Dew Point rises above the workshop/machinery temp a dehumidifier can be triggered to only run then, I can see how my electricity bill could be kept to a minimum. How accurate is the PCB sensor? I have PM'd you. Adam

                                                  #577929
                                                  Alan Wood 4
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                                                    @alanwood4

                                                    Hi Adam

                                                    I will follow up on the PM.

                                                    The DHT22 is the more expensive version which has better specifications. Its temperature measuring range is from -40 to +125 degrees Celsius with +-0.5 degrees accuracy, while the DHT11 temperature range is from 0 to 50 degrees Celsius with +-2 degrees accuracy. Also the DHT22 sensor has better humidity measuring range, from 0 to 100% with 2-5% accuracy, while the DHT11 humidity range is from 20 to 80% with 5% accuracy.

                                                    The DHT22 is more tolerant of a long cable length for remote monitoring.

                                                    Alan

                                                    Edited By Alan Wood 4 on 01/01/2022 15:12:41

                                                    #577935
                                                    SillyOldDuffer
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                                                      @sillyoldduffer

                                                      Posted by Alan Wood 4 on 01/01/2022 15:11:42:

                                                      The DHT22 is the more expensive version which has better specifications…

                                                      The better specified sensor helps but positioning is important too. For example, a sensor in sunlight will read high temperature and that mucks up the humidity reading as well. The sensor can lose calibration and have to be reset, whilst long exposure to strong sunlight can permanently damage it. Also ironic that a device used to calculate the dew point, dies when it gets condensation on it!

                                                      Some sort of shield helps, plus putting the sensor in a guarded position – somewhere away from natural and artificial heat, and definitely dry!

                                                      Dave

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