This is often the problem with articles which only demonstrate a device. Such articles are not meant to be used to make the device but merely show what is possible. They can be very interesting and inspiring but can also be frustrating if you want to build the item in question. I too read the hobbing article and would love to build something similar but would need a lot more information to make that feasible.

Doug

Joe will hopefully see this thread and respond, he also did a thread about it here

What I can try is post some detail here – some circuits if they appear legible, wiring diagrams, etc, and some details on mechanical concepts.

I will also try to provide more detail on how it works, and maybe post the user manual in some form.

Interested folk can then maybe see if they wish to attempt this and then I can mail PDF's and source/binary code as needed.

Unless there are better ways of doing this, I will try do post some info in the coming day or two..

Joe

This describes basic operation of a hobber WITH AUTOFEED capability. It is easily understood from this which modes are not applicable to the non-AutoFeed mode type…

The Rotary Switch selects the various modes.

Each Mode may require the setup of some parameters, such as continuous rotation RPM, angular step size, No of divisions in the circle, No of teeth on the blank gear, etc.

When a mode is selected, the JOG encoder is active and used to set the required parameter. The SET/ZERO switch enters the parameter as the active such as number of teeth in hobbing, angular step size, number of divisions to step, rotary table rotational RPM, etc

The JOG wheel increment size on the display can be increased by xN (N depends on your encoder PPM..) by pressing the MUL pushbutton and rotating the jog wheel. Useful when big increments are needed.

Your Hobber, rotary table, may have different gear ratios – these can be adjusted.

Rotary Switch selections:

DIVISION
The JOG wheel is used to set a division increment, eg, say 360deg divided into 20 segments, ie each segment = 18degrees. Press SET/ZERO while using the JOG wheel to set the division value. Release SET/ZERO when done. When the ‘>’ or ‘<’ PB is pressed ( either clock or anticlock), the table will turn in that direction by the set division, for each press. The table can be set to a specific start point by first using MANUAL mode, below. Then selecting DIVISION again and using the ‘<’, ‘>’ buttons , the process will step on from that point each time. The number of division steps selected is displayed, as is the current cumulative division step number.

ANGLE.
The JOG wheel is used to set an angular increment, eg, say 5deg. Press SET/ZERO while using the JOG wheel to set the angle value. Release SET/ZERO when done. When the ‘>’ or ‘<’ PB is pressed ( either clock or anticlock), the table will turn in that direction by the set angle, for each press. The table can be set to a specific start point by first using MANUAL mode, below. Then selecting ANGLE again and using the ‘<’, ‘>’ buttons , the process will step on from that point each time. The selected step angle is displayed, as is the current cumulative angle value.

CONTINOUS.
The JOG wheel is used to set an RPM at which the table will rotate. Press SET/ZERO while using the JOG wheel to set the angle value. When the ‘>’ or ‘<’ PB is pressed ( either clock or anticlock), the table will turn continuously in that direction at the set RPM. Press STOP to stop rotation.

MANUAL.
This will rotate the table as the JOG wheel is rotated – useful when milling a radius, setting the table to a specific mechanical reference point, etc. Pressing SET/ZERO at any point in this mode will reset the angle display to 0 degrees as the reference start point.

HOBBING.
When selected, first use the JOG wheel to select the number of teeth to be cut, by pressing SET/ZERO and rotating the jog wheel. Release SET/ZERO when done.

5.1 BLANK JOG

The BLANK can be positioned as required by pressing and holding BLANK JOG, while jogging the blank with the JOG wheel.

5.2 FEED MODES

Since there is the option of Auto-feed of the cutter advance, the feed mode also needs to be set up ( Position, rates, auto/manual)

5.2.1 POSITION:

To position the cutter in relation to the blank, ie, almost touching, ready to cut, press FEED POSITION and use the JOG wheel to move the blank and cutter into the correct relationship.

5.2.2 FEED RATE

To set the feed rates ( in mm per blank rotation) press FEED RATE and use the jog wheel to set the value.

5.2.3 FEED MODE

The feed mode can be AUTO or MANUAL or NONE. This is selected by repeated presses of the FEED MODE button and will show on the display.

5.2.3.1 AUTO MODE

The feed will proceed in the selected mm per blank rotation and starts when the hob spindle starts running.

Pressing ANY other HOBBING mode button, eg, BLANK JOG, FEED POSITION or FEED RATE will immediately CLEAR the feed rate to NONE and if in AUTO-FEED, FEED will STOP – no AUTO feed will take place and the JOG encoder will not cause manual feed. Use FEED MODE to re-select the desired feed mode.

The FEED Mode can be changed on the fly, with the machine running or not. This allows manual take-over of feed, or AUTO from manual, or change of feed rate, and then back into auto, etc.

5.2.3.2 MANUAL MODE

In this mode the JOG encoder will drive the FEED axis Stepper. The JOG wheel is disconnected from ALL other functions and only generates FEED increments. Pressing ANY other HOBBING mode button, eg, BLANK JOG, FEED POSITION or FEED RATE will immediately CLEAR the feed rate to NONE, and the JOG encoder will not cause manual feed.

The FEED Mode can be changed on the fly, with the machine running or not. This allows manual take-over of feed, or AUTO from manual, or change of feed rate, and then back into auto, etc.

Gear Ratio Selection.
This is effected by selecting MANUAL MODE and then pressing and holding the ‘<’ button. Each press of the ‘>’ button will then cycle through the gear ratio options for rotary table use. Selectable ratios are 40:1 and 72:1. The HOBBING mode defaults to 40:1 ratio. This can be changed in software to any ratio you wish..

For those still awake, and interested, let me know what else you may need – greater detail etc is probably best by PM or emails.
Joe

Posted by Baldric 30/04/2021 17:51:39
Has anyone done this using a Bridgeport, if so any tips on where to mount the sensor? I have an older step-pulley head, that I expect to run at it's lowest speed.

My rotary table has a 90:1 gearing, I appreciate this means the stepper will have to work harder, but I guess I can reduce the micro-stepping to compensate for that.

Thanks in advance,

Baldric.
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Hi Baldric

You have not indicated what size DP or Mod gears you are intending to
cut ,the Bridgeport machine that is in your photo album seems to
show that the lower part of the spindle protrudes by about an inch
below the quill.
In my hobbing set up on a Warco A2f machine i use this part of the
spindle to attach a split collar turned in situ to mount a drive gear for an
optical encoder ,the encoder bracket clamps around the quill and is
seen here in the photo.
Above 18 dp the hobs are around 55mm dia and you may need a
substantial rotary table to cope with the cutting loads.
I only cut up to 1,25 mod or 20 dp as seen in the photo here ,the
set up here is much more rigid than any rotary table.
More photo's in the the album gears.

John

Hi Baldric.

The Bridgeport is a substantial machine well suited to hobbing of these
gears ,the weak point will most probably be the rotary table side of things.
If you look at proper hobbing machines they are massive in comparison
to the items they produce ,at 14 Dp and 111 tooth count the minimum centre height
needed would be about 4.100 inches,the Vertex rotary and clones are 4.000 inches
from the centre to the vertical mounting base so would need to be on
a raised support ,the vertical mounting face is only 3.000x 6.000 inches by
comparison the fabricated hobbing unit that i have the base is 3/4 thick steel
9.000 x 8.000 inches in size.
The other end of your gear size range at 15 tooth ,with a 2.500 inch diameter cutter
you would be at about 150 rpm , with the Vertex table at 90 to 1 the stepper
motor input to the table at 1:1 would have to run at 900 rpm,i don't know
if that is possible ,my own hobbing unit has only a 5:1 reduction between
the stepper motor and the work shaft but i mainly cut small gears and have
hobs from 0.3 mod to 1.25 mod and 20 DP and sometimes cut as few as
5 teeth ,so at times the cutter speed could be around 400 rpm.
There is some more information on my own hobbing setup in
MEW 193.

Aliexpress have 14 DP hobs in 20 deg PA and 14.5 deg PA around
the £40 to £45 mark , both are 22 mm bore 50 mm long 55mm
diameter, Arc euro used to sell these but no more.

I think that it is fair to say that the hobbing unit you require would need to be
tailored very much to suit the type of gears that you would wish to make.
With cutters of about 2.500 inches in diameter the gear blank must stand
far enough forward to clear any rotating part of the rotary table and for the
cutter to cut past the face of the gear blank.From that point of view the
Vertex table would be a poor choice as the body depth is 2.000 inches
and the bearing surfaces are contained within this, a 4 inch chuck mounted
on the table would be a total of 4.000 inches away from the table body
add on the extra 1.250 to the gear blank for cutter clearance you have
5.250 inches overhang on a total supporting bearing contained
within 2.000 inches.
As for the Elliot 5" universal dividing head i have no knowledge of this
unit but you will be able to make your own decisions on this.

John