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  • #377728
    Neil Wyatt
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      @neilwyatt

      This thread is for people to post any questions or comments they have on the tutorial series starting in MEW 274 to support the six-month free licence for Alibre Atom 3D.

      Various supporting resources are already here:

      http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/alibreatom3d

      The page will be updated from time to time.

      Enjoy,

      Neil

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      #38501
      Neil Wyatt
      Moderator
        @neilwyatt

        Discussion of the series starting in MEW 274

        #377739
        Emgee
        Participant
          @emgee

          Hi Neil

          The link below to the Boring Head article doesn't work for me, perhaps it's my computer, please check.

          http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/news/article/the-mew-boring-head/26646

          Emgee

          Edited By Emgee on 26/10/2018 11:06:39

          Edited By Neil Wyatt on 26/10/2018 11:17:09

          #377741
          JasonB
          Moderator
            @jasonb

            All I will say for now having seen the first part is don't be put off having a go by what looks a long complicated process from reading the article. Get the trial downloaded and have a go it really is a lot simpler than it looks.

            I do have one question though, why was the XY axis chosen to start drawing? I would have gone with ZX so that when any of the View Icons are clicked the part shows the right way up. I find this also helps later when you come to start assembly of parts.

            J

            #377744
            Neil Wyatt
            Moderator
              @neilwyatt

              Hi Emgee,

              I have no problem using that link, and I've checked it isn't set to subscriber only.

              I've made it into a live link in your post – try it again?

              Neil

              #377745
              David Jupp
              Participant
                @davidjupp51506

                Jason,

                I can't speak for Rob (the tutorial author), but XY plane often gets used simply because it is 'face on' to the computer screen at launch and hence the quickest one to select. No reason why another plane couldn't have been used instead, and no reason why readers shouldn't try using a different plane (perhaps after building a little confidence).

                In some CAD system the 'face on' plane is a carry over from looking at graph paper on your desk (XY plane), in others since the screen now tends to be vertical not horizontal the ZX plane is presented 'face on'. I see huge arguments over which is 'correct' – they are all arbitrary.

                In Alibre Atom3D – Initial 'Face on' plane or 'Front view' is looking at the XY plane from the +Z direction, the view orientation icons are consistent with that.

                If you plan to later transfer your model to CAM or to 3D printing software, it might save some time to consider which plane you start on – so your model imports 'as expected' into the other software (though this can usually be worked around).

                Edited By David Jupp on 26/10/2018 11:39:24

                #377764
                JasonB
                Moderator
                  @jasonb

                  Neil I think it must be set as subscriber only as I could not look at it using my other user name, only the one with my subs details let me see it. I did e-mail you to the same effect yesterday. Works OK now though.

                  Thanks David, as you say XY is probably the one I use most but I do like to see the top of a part when I click "top view" rather than what would be considered the side by most. I'm sure Rob is limited in how much he can put into the series so can only cover some basics and that may be going a bit too in depth.

                   

                  Edited By JasonB on 26/10/2018 13:05:14

                  #377789
                  Anonymous
                    Posted by JasonB on 26/10/2018 11:10:38:

                    I do have one question though, why was the XY axis chosen to start drawing? I would have gone with ZX so that when any of the View Icons are clicked the part shows the right way up. I find this also helps later when you come to start assembly of parts.

                    I normally use the XY plane as the bottom of a part. Then the part is orientated in the same way as a milling machine. This is particularly useful when transferring the part to a CAM program prior to CNC milling. Saves a lot of faffing about.

                    Apart from the initial part in an assembly, which I usually orientate to the workspace, all the other parts are constrained to other parts, so initial orientation isn't important.

                    Andrew

                    Edited By Andrew Johnston on 26/10/2018 15:47:18

                    #377810
                    Steambuff
                    Participant
                      @steambuff

                      I have just obtained my 6 month license key and downloaded Alibre Atom3D.

                      I failed at the first step …. the install failed …..

                      I use "Cubify Design" as my 3D CAD package and it appears I have to de-install it if I want to install Alibre Atom3D as the installation process thinks it is an earlier version that it can't upgrade.

                      I have emailed support, lets see what they say!

                       

                      Dave.

                       

                      Edited By JasonB on 26/10/2018 18:27:17

                      #377861
                      JasonB
                      Moderator
                        @jasonb

                        Thanks Andrew, starting so that the part suits further use of the file makes sense be it for milling or getting a flat surface on the 3D printer bed. I think I will keep doing it my way for now as it suits rendering if the light falls on the top of the part and shadows below and also if I want to add a 3D image to a 2D drawing the part is the right way up, maybe if I get into CNC or Printing in the future that will change.

                        Steambuff and anyone else for that matter, I will move any Atom3D related threads or posts to here as it makes it easier for the various people from Alibre who are looking in to keep track of things and possibly get you an quicker answer. If anyone does raise a ticket with support can you include the ticket number in your post as it makes it easier to look you up.

                        J

                        Edited By JasonB on 27/10/2018 07:07:39

                        #377893
                        David Jupp
                        Participant
                          @davidjupp51506

                          Cubify Design is a member of the family of predecessor products to Alibre Atom3D. You can't have Cubify and Atom3D installed on the same computer (that's just the way it is).

                          Those with Cubify Design already installed, should be able to follow the tutorial series, but won't be able to open the example files. Cubify has adequate functionality, but being an earlier iteration of the software can't open files created in the current version of Atom3D.

                          The user interface in Atom3D has been updated considerably, but the modelling tools still work the same way as in Cubify.

                          Edited By David Jupp on 27/10/2018 11:48:54

                          #377904
                          Steambuff
                          Participant
                            @steambuff

                            David, Thank you for your response and email.

                            You state that the user interface has changed, but can you tell me –

                            1/ What new features are in Alibre Atom3D that are not in Cubify Design?

                            2/ What features are in Cubify Design that are not in Alibre Atom3D?

                            Based on this I can make a decision to upgrade or not …. Is there an upgrade price available?

                            Thanks

                            Dave

                            #377907
                            David Jupp
                            Participant
                              @davidjupp51506

                              Dave,

                              I suggest you contact your reseller – re feature comparison and possible upgrade Cubify to Atom3D.

                              #377943
                              Neil Wyatt
                              Moderator
                                @neilwyatt

                                I have moved the comments on other CAD packages to another thread.

                                Please can those who want to promote or debate their own preferences please do so elsewhere and respect That this thread is meant to be helping people learn to use Alibre Atom3D.

                                Thank you.

                                Neil

                                #378086
                                Rod Ashton
                                Participant
                                  @rodashton53132

                                  Trying the demo version. Quite neat.

                                  Confused a little by the "trim" command. Drew a circle with two angled tangent lines attached. Then tried to trim out the inner unwanted portion of the circle from the line tangents. But it would only select and delete the whole circle. What is the procedure please.

                                  Hope I am not premature with queries?

                                  #378088
                                  JasonB
                                  Moderator
                                    @jasonb

                                    Rod, how did you do the two tangental lines? For the trim to work they must actually be tangental not just look like it on the screen.

                                    1 option if you want the line vertical or horizontal starting at the circles ctr line is to draw your circle then select the line tool, now hover your cursor near circle where you want the line to start and you will see the little image of a line near your cursor arrow change to a line and inverted triangle as you move around to 0, 90, 180 & 270 deg a red guide line will also appear now click mouse to start line. As you start drawing your line now it will automatically snap to the circle and be tangental when vertical or horizontal. You can tell if it is by a black dot where the line joins the circle.

                                    Another method is to draw a line approx where you want it and then go upto the "constraints" box along the top. one icon there is a circle with a tangental line, hover cursor over that and it will tell you what it does. You then click that icon and follow what it says bottom left – select first figure, I usually select the circle then select second figure which is your line it will then move to be tangental to the circle

                                    Easier done that said

                                     

                                    EDIT rough and ready video, my version is slightly different but you have the same functions

                                     

                                    Edited By JasonB on 28/10/2018 14:44:20

                                    #378093
                                    Rod Ashton
                                    Participant
                                      @rodashton53132

                                      Jason – I actually tried it both ways.( Incidentally the selection sequence is worth a observing)

                                      So if left with a circle and the two tangential lines to trim, I would usually accept a highlighted cutout suggestion, or select my cutting entities and then the portion to remove.

                                      Could not find a way to do it. At least by my accustomed methods?

                                      #378094
                                      David Jupp
                                      Participant
                                        @davidjupp51506

                                        Rod – though produced for Alibre Design, rather than Atom3D, this video shows general usage of the trim tool. It might help.

                                        Jason is correct – the lines have to either cross the circle, or be truly tangent to it for the trim to work, alternatively the end nodes of the lines could be set coincident with the circle.

                                        #378104
                                        JasonB
                                        Moderator
                                          @jasonb

                                           

                                          Rod, can you post a screen shot of your circle and two lines, we may be able to spot what is stopping you from being able to trim. Zooming right in can also show up if a line that looks tangental is actually just missing the circle.

                                          Normal working size

                                          tangent 1.jpg

                                          Zoomed in and it misses

                                          tangent 2.jpg

                                          What it should look like, the little tangent icon comes up when the two meet correctly

                                          tangent 3.jpg

                                          Edited By JasonB on 28/10/2018 15:47:59

                                          #378108
                                          Rod Ashton
                                          Participant
                                            @rodashton53132

                                            Well I just redrew it to send you a screenshot and the trim function worked as I would expect. Must have drawn it in a more acceptable way. It was the first time I had used the programme. Apologies for wasting your time.

                                            Still playing

                                            #378110
                                            JasonB
                                            Moderator
                                              @jasonb

                                              No apologies needed. That was one of the reasons for doing it via the mag as the forum is an easy way to get an answer from familiar faces and not put beginners off asking.

                                              #378111
                                              David Jupp
                                              Participant
                                                @davidjupp51506

                                                Not a waste of time Rod – it seems that these 'little things' that are obvious to the experienced user, conspire to defeat some new users.

                                                If a sketch isn't behaving as you'd expect – it can be worth just starting a new sketch and trying again…

                                                #378114
                                                Rod Ashton
                                                Participant
                                                  @rodashton53132

                                                  Oh well I have only been at it for forty years. (Acad 78 I think) Bound to get the hang of it soon!!

                                                  #378129
                                                  Rik Shaw
                                                  Participant
                                                    @rikshaw

                                                    "I have moved the comments on other CAD packages to another thread."

                                                    Which thread would that be Neil?

                                                    Rik

                                                    #378134
                                                    Neil Wyatt
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @neilwyatt
                                                      Posted by Rik Shaw on 28/10/2018 17:30:45:

                                                      "I have moved the comments on other CAD packages to another thread."

                                                      Which thread would that be Neil?

                                                      Rik

                                                      The one titled "For discussing the merits of alternative 3D CAD programs."

                                                      Neil

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