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  • #38277
    andrew winks
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      #176974
      andrew winks
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        @andrewwinks64215

        Hello group, is there a modern day Myford "replacement"? A good quality modern era lathe, of instrument makers size, that would compare with the well respected but long gone Myford.

        Emco are a tad small, what is a current machine comparable to the old favourite?

        Andrew

        #176977
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Emco "8" family are larger than a Myford. There are also the Wabeco lathes which are well made and again swing about the same as a Myford

          Or if you want to push the boat out a new Schaublin

          Edited By JasonB on 23/01/2015 12:05:40

          #176980
          Mike Poole
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            @mikepoole82104

            A new built to order Myford can be bought now, I saw one at Sandown and it looked very good indeed. They are also making the old accessories like taper turning,dividing head and vertical slide etc.

            Mike

            #176985
            Stephen Benson
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              @stephenbenson75261

              I have a Cowells and like Myford they have done almost nothing to modernise either the lathe/mill or production techniques as far as I can tell it is a shame when a great product does not move with the times people expect more now variable drive,proper spindle bearings, CNC upgrade etc etc

              I have had a Chinese lathe (Chester Conquest mini lathe) and there was no pride of ownership too much plastic, burrs poor castings and paint dodgy electronics ( it was a few years ago now) but I did manage to turn quite well with it.

              If I was starting form scratch for my size of work (clockmaking) Sherline seem to fit the bill heard nothing but good reports UK distributer is

              http://www.millhillsupplies.co.uk/sherline/

              For larger work I would be looking at  Wabeco they seem to be for me to provide the best combination of cost and quality

               

               

              Edited By Stephen Benson on 23/01/2015 12:59:06

              #176990
              andrew winks
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                @andrewwinks64215

                Good feedback. Sherline still around? I remember them being advertised in Aust back in the 70's. I have a Korean made AL 960 lathe which I purchased in 2001 from Hare and Forbes and its a wonderful machine but looking for a toolmakers sized lathe for number 1 son.

                New Myford?? Hope they have discovered vee beds.

                #177008
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133
                  Posted by andrew winks on 23/01/2015 13:16:59:

                  Good feedback. Sherline still around?

                  .

                  Not only around, but going from strength-to-strength.

                  **LINK**

                  MichaelG.

                  #177095
                  Stephen Benson
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                    @stephenbenson75261

                    Come on guys does there must be a few more ideas, does anybody have own a Sherline or Wabeco will they comment?

                    #177111
                    michael cole
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                      @michaelcole91146

                      A bit bigger than a Myford but Boxford still make very good lathes

                      #177117
                      Russell Eberhardt
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                        @russelleberhardt48058

                        Of course it depends on what you are willing to spend. If money is no object you could buy a new Myford or Boxford. At the more affordable end the Seig range seem to have a good reputation. Have you looked at Ausee (ad on right)?

                        Russell.

                        #177205
                        Lathejack
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                          @lathejack

                          Hello Andrew.

                          If you are after a new high quality machine of a similar capacity to a Myford, but still at an affordable price, then the Italian made Ceriani lathes are also worth taking a look at.

                          These are 100mm centre hight with 500mm between centres. Like the Myford 7 series lathes, they have a small gap section in the bed. They use dovetail type guides for the bedways, but thankfully have separate guideways for the Camlock tailstock. This allows the use of a long saddle that will remain stable and accurate over a long period.

                          The top model has a simple quick change fine feed gear box. But switching between screw cutting feeds and fine longitudinal feeds requires the use of change wheels, as the leadscrew is engaged for both, and no powerfeeds are built into the apron. But this is typical of many similarly designed lathes.

                          I remember reading some feedback comments made by owners a few years ago, and one happy owner enthused it had "Hardinge performance at an import price".

                          To take a closer look last year I visited a dealer that imports them as well as Chinese lathes and small Emco machinery also made in China, plus the German Wabeco range. The Ceriani had a faultless finish and build quality with a thick and solid bed casting, I was quite impressed. There are some videos on the web showing them being manufactured.

                           

                          Edited By Lathejack on 24/01/2015 19:32:34

                          #177206
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            Posted by Lathejack on 24/01/2015 19:30:10:

                            If you are after a new high quality machine of a similar capacity to a Myford, but still at an affordable price, then the Italian made Ceriani lathes are also worth taking a look at.

                            There are some videos on the web showing them being manufactured.

                            .

                            That's good to know

                            I had wrongly presumed that they were just another badge-engineered job. blush

                            … Is the firm oonnected with the Motorcycle Fork manufacturer ?

                            MichaelG.

                            #177226
                            Jesse Hancock 1
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                              @jessehancock1

                              Slightly off topic but I think they make blonde wigs as well.disgust

                              Jesse

                              #177227
                              Lathejack
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                                @lathejack

                                No, there doesn't appear to be any connection with the Ceriani that makes motorcycle front forks. The videos show the bed castings being machined, surprisingly just mounted on a large vertical / horizontal mill table, although they really may not still do them all that way.

                                Typical of a lot of lathes this size made outside of the UK and USA, they do not have a back gear. There is a choice of spindle bore size of 20 or 32mm which use a four or five inch chuck respectively.

                                When I was examining one at the dealers the only area that seemed to be a little crude in design, although well made, was what appeared to be a traditional tumbler reverse mechanism for the leadscrew that was operated by a simple cap screw through a curved slot. I should have taken a closer look but got distracted with chatting to other visitors and tea, but I think that is how it was designed.

                                I also think they offer a variable speed version. The lathes seem reasonably priced, but the mills are fairly expensive.

                                Edited By Lathejack on 24/01/2015 23:30:30

                                #177238
                                thaiguzzi
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                                  @thaiguzzi

                                  Check the new "retro" South Bends out, either a model 9 or 10. Lovely to look at. Fair bit about it on the South Bend owners area on PM.

                                  #177260
                                  Stephen Benson
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                                    @stephenbenson75261
                                    Posted by thaiguzzi on 25/01/2015 08:27:04:

                                    Check the new "retro" South Bends out, either a model 9 or 10. Lovely to look at. Fair bit about it on the South Bend owners area on PM.

                                    I had to check this out as I own a lovely 9b 1943 South Bend and would never part with it except for one of these

                                    http://www.southbendlathe.com/products/lathes/SB1001

                                    Varable drive, taper roller bearings, toothed belt drive but kept all the other features standard brilliant

                                    #177261
                                    Neil Wyatt
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                                      @neilwyatt
                                      Posted by Stephen Benson on 25/01/2015 10:47:53:

                                      Posted by thaiguzzi on 25/01/2015 08:27:04:

                                      Check the new "retro" South Bends out, either a model 9 or 10. Lovely to look at. Fair bit about it on the South Bend owners area on PM.

                                      I had to check this out as I own a lovely 9b 1943 South Bend and would never part with it except for one of these

                                      http://www.southbendlathe.com/products/lathes/SB1001

                                      Varable drive, taper roller bearings, toothed belt drive but kept all the other features standard brilliant

                                      It certainly sounds like a 'dream lathe.

                                      By the way, the specification sheet says it's made in China.

                                      Neil

                                      #177264
                                      Bikepete
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                                        @bikepete

                                        Dream lathe? Think you got the wrong link Neil – try this one!

                                        http://www.southbendlathe.com/products/lathes/SB1009

                                        #177266
                                        Stephen Benson
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                                          @stephenbenson75261

                                          When a "brand" is controlling the quality then Chinese goods are the best in the world when they work through distributors it seems to be very variable do ARC Euro trade still strip and rebuild their Chinese imports

                                          #177267
                                          Russell Eberhardt
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                                            Posted by Neil Wyatt on 25/01/2015 11:02:57:

                                            By the way, the specification sheet says it's made in China.

                                            Neil

                                            Ah. . . but they have fitted nice traditional handlessmiley

                                            Russell.

                                            #177270
                                            Bazyle
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                                              @bazyle

                                              That 1009 has a lot of Hardinge features – 5C nose, big flat dovetail bed, feed motor hung on carriage, topslide retract, astranomic price….did the companies merge?

                                              #177273
                                              Bikepete
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                                                @bikepete

                                                Re the SB1009 – I'd guess just a copy, like the Feeler or Sharp – see e.g. lathes.co.uk. For the curious the price is USD 32,250 plus shipping as per here via Grizzly – so around £21,500 at current rates!!

                                                For comparison:

                                                • the 10k SB1002 is USD 5135 plus shipping – £3400ish
                                                • the 8k SB1001 is USD 1965 or around £1300

                                                Edited By Bikepete on 25/01/2015 12:37:32

                                                #177276
                                                andrew winks
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                                                  @andrewwinks64215

                                                  Neil, done some reading and it appears that Southbend have not been manufactured in the US since the 80's. Made in Taiwan. They look a good machine and agreed, Russell, the handles have the traditional look. Once the other eastern supplies cotton on to the fact that these small details really add to the looks of the machine, they will gain greater acceptance.

                                                  Re a previous AL960 lathe was Korean made, its actually made in Taiwan.

                                                  I have a big gripe with our US mates across the pond. (Pacific ocean) Some are the first to jump up and down about rubbish quality out of China but due to their labelling laws, do not need to state country of origin on their items. If the item is assembled, painted or just wiped down with a rag in the US, then they can state its a product of the US. I have looked through the Southbend website and I cannot see any reference to the country of origin (berate me if I've missed something)…though there is plenty said about the US quality and tradition living on! I guess what's also stirred me up is that I recently purchased a diamond knife sharpener for the number 1 engineer in the house. Stars and Stripes all over the box, quality US made and paid over $100. Now it is a great sharpener, no doubt, but read the (very) fine print and its "assembled" in the US, you can guess where the components are made.

                                                  #177277
                                                  Thomas Saunders 1
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                                                    @thomassaunders1

                                                    I got a 24" Sherline lathe just before Christmas. I mainly wanted it for small stuff on my Britannia, and the making of nuts and bolts that I can't easily get here in Canada. Although I believe it to be a bit overpriced, the range of accessories is large … right up to and including cnc.

                                                    So far, the results are excellent and it all seems very precise. The best part for me is I can sit down and use it so not so much wear and tear on the legs and back. They are also very quiet to use.

                                                    Would I recommend these products to others? … In a word … Yes.

                                                    Tom

                                                    #177283
                                                    Mike Poole
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                                                      @mikepoole82104

                                                      Andrew, with my geek hat on I read through the specification on the Southbend lathes and noticed it mentions the country of origin, the 8k says China and the 10k says Taiwan, also says the factories are not iso9001 certified.

                                                      Mike

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