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  • #350883
    Chris Clark 2
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      @chrisclark2

      ols PM me or post

      Hi,

      My father, Peter Clark, was a REAL collector of model engineering and railroad memorabilia

      That includes a complete archive of every single ME ever published.

      I need to find a deserving home for these. Some are the formally bound annual summaries. Others are the actual magazines personally bound into folders.

      So does anyone want them? Free to a good home Though a contribution to charity would be appreciated. Pls PM me or post here. Chris C

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      #37772
      Chris Clark 2
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        @chrisclark2

        Free to a good home…..

        #350894
        Chris Evans 6
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          @chrisevans6

          Could you please add your location/nearest town ? May help folk.

          #350896
          Chris Clark 2
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            @chrisclark2

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            Posted by Chris Evans 6 on 20/04/2018 19:35:38:

            Could you please add your location/nearest town ? May help folk.

            Excellent suggestion.

            Southwold, Suffolk

            IP18 6BH

            #350920
            Jeff Dayman
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              @jeffdayman43397

              Surely it would be valuable to the editors / owners / management of Model Engineer to have an archive of all issues for reprint, reader queries, etc. Maybe even to scan it all to digital format for a historical record.

              A lot of history there in that collection.

              #350923
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                It would be best if it could go to a ME club so that it can be used as reference by as many people as possible.

                #350927
                Raymond Sanderson 2
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                  @raymondsanderson2

                  Wow what an offer hope you find someone deserving

                  #350932
                  Chris Clark 2
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                    @chrisclark2

                    Posted by Raymond Sanderson 2 on 20/04/2018 22:41:39:

                    Wow what an offer hope you find someone deserving

                    Thanks. If we don’t they’ll be going in a skip which would be criminal.

                    #350939
                    Neil Wyatt
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                      @neilwyatt
                      Posted by Jeff Dayman on 20/04/2018 22:04:46:

                      Surely it would be valuable to the editors / owners / management of Model Engineer to have an archive of all issues for reprint, reader queries, etc. Maybe even to scan it all to digital format for a historical record.

                      A lot of history there in that collection.

                      The company has full sets of all its magazines.

                      The work involved in manually unbinding, scanning and rebinding 4,500 magazines in various formats is mind boggling… allow just ten minutes per issue and it's about six month's work without any tea breaks…

                      Personally, it would be nice to own a full set of ME but I have enough trouble storing about 35-40 years' worth as well as of my nearly complete set of MEW!

                      Neil

                      #351013
                      Neil A
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                        @neila

                        Reading this forum post, I am reminded that many old, valuable and rare documents and items have been thrown away and are still being destroyed by well meaning relatives while clearing a deceased persons property.

                        They get thrown away simply because the person doing the clearing has no idea what they are looking at.

                        Unfortunately there is no way of stopping this happening and so many out of print reference books and old magazines will disappear unless they are recorded in someway for future generations.

                        I'm afraid copyright issues will remain a problem in this respect.

                        Neil

                        #351026
                        Ade Panton
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                          @adepanton25529

                          If they are still available I can take them of your hands 😀 I have been trying to make a complete collection and this would be a nice shortcut. My existing issues I would then pass on individually, or in years or however anybody wanted them.

                          #351029
                          Chris Clark 2
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                            @chrisclark2

                            Hi Ade,

                            Yes they are available! I'll PM you with my contact details.

                            Chris

                            #351041
                            Neil Wyatt
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                              @neilwyatt
                              Posted by Neil A on 21/04/2018 16:44:44:

                              Reading this forum post, I am reminded that many old, valuable and rare documents and items have been thrown away and are still being destroyed by well meaning relatives while clearing a deceased persons property.

                              They get thrown away simply because the person doing the clearing has no idea what they are looking at.

                              Unfortunately there is no way of stopping this happening and so many out of print reference books and old magazines will disappear unless they are recorded in someway for future generations.

                              I'm afraid copyright issues will remain a problem in this respect.

                              Neil

                              As fart as posterity is concerned, this sholdn't be an issue, from Wikipedia:

                              "The Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003[52] restates Section 15 of the Copyright Act 1911,[53] that one copy of every book (which includes pamphlets, magazines, newspapers, sheet music and maps) published there must be sent to the British Library; five other libraries (the Bodleian Library at the University of Oxford, Cambridge University Library, the National Library of Scotland, the library of Trinity College, Dublin and the National Library of Wales) are entitled to request a free copy within one year of publication, a process which they normally coordinate jointly through Agency for the Legal Deposit Libraries. The 2003 Act set out provisions for the deposit of non-print works. This legislation was updated with the introduction of secondary legislation, The Legal Deposit Libraries (Non-Print Works) Regulations 2013,[54] which make provision for the legal deposit of works published online or offline in formats other than print, such as websites, blogs, e-journals and CD-ROMs. Social media content is included in the legislation, but not private message sent via social media platforms. Pure video streaming websites are also excluded from the legislation.[55"

                              #351043
                              Mike Poole
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                                @mikepoole82104

                                I would think a scanner with double sided paper handling and a document feeder would ease the digital archive workload especially if the spines could be guillotined off and the source magazines written off. It does sometimes seem that copyright ownership is a dog in the manger position, unless revenue can be generated what is the point of copyright? If the digitisation task was undertaken then controlling the distribution would be the problem but with digital rights management I am sure a revenue stream could be generated. As some of the original paper copies are now over 100 years old I am sure they are becoming a smaller resource with each passing year. Some will fall apart or succumb to bugs and rodents others will be binned by the house clearance crew. A complete paper collection takes a lot of space to store and finding what you want can be a problem. As many of us have access to a scanner perhaps we could have a type of crowd funding project where many people scan a few copies from their collection in an agreed format and donate them to my time to host at a minimum cost as the bulk of the work has been done for altruistic reasons by the ME community. The only hurdle then would be the copyright for the last 70 years.

                                Mike

                                #351053
                                John McNamara
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                                  @johnmcnamara74883

                                  Hi All

                                  No need to cut open the magazines or books.

                                  There are many commercial and open source based machines available.

                                  **LINK**

                                  Regards

                                  John

                                  #351464
                                  Chris Clark 2
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                                    @chrisclark2

                                    So the complete collection has been handed over to a very happy recipient.

                                    Very good news.

                                    #351466
                                    David Standing 1
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                                      @davidstanding1

                                      thumbs up

                                      #351470
                                      Ade Panton
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                                        @adepanton25529

                                        Many thanks to Chris. The collection is wonderful. I shall be quiet for may years reading. As I have to clear my old attempt at getting all the copies of ME to help make space for the estimated 20 foot of required bookshelf ! I will list what I have and pass on single of multiple copies to any good homes that want them. Will take a short while to sort them out.

                                        #351471
                                        Neil Wyatt
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                                          @neilwyatt
                                          Posted by John McNamara on 22/04/2018 00:28:02:

                                          Hi All

                                          No need to cut open the magazines or books.

                                          There are many commercial and open source based machines available.

                                          **LINK**

                                          Regards

                                          John

                                          I doubt any of those would cope with close-bound magazines. I suspect it would be near impossible to scan many of the official copies without the risk of damage.

                                          Neil

                                          Plus you really need an automate page turner and something that holds the pages flat to produce scans worthy of being 'official'.

                                          #351488
                                          Raymond Sanderson 2
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                                            @raymondsanderson2

                                            I've known people who would go that far staples bent open every page removed scanned or back then photo copied and all returned to the same staples ever so neatly.

                                            #351489
                                            David Standing 1
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                                              @davidstanding1
                                              Posted by Raymond Sanderson 2 on 24/04/2018 22:29:20:

                                              I've known people who would go that far staples bent open every page removed scanned or back then photo copied and all returned to the same staples ever so neatly.

                                              I bet they wouldn't be so neat when they'd done it about 4,500 times! surprise

                                              #351511
                                              Hopper
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                                                @hopper

                                                I just finished reading a fascinating book "The Bad-Ass Librarians of Timbuktu" which despite the flippant title is an amazing story of how 377,000 ancient African manuscripts were rounded up in the 1980s and 90s from their hiding places in family homes and desert caves and and put in libraries in Timbuktu, then saved from destruction by the invading jihadi Al Qaeda types in 2013. Along the way, they managed to scan and store copies of the whole 377,000 manuscripts. So it can be done. But many millions of dollars were spent in the process!

                                                It's a remarkable story and many of the manuscripts were about mathematics and sciences etc that did not emerge in Europe until many centuries later. Well worth a read.

                                                #351531
                                                DMB
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                                                  @dmb

                                                  Ade Panton,

                                                  I need just a few more volumes to complete my collection. So look forward to your disposals. Its the first 20 or 30 years issues that are so difficult to obtain.

                                                  John

                                                  #351567
                                                  Neil A
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                                                    @neila

                                                    I have just read Hopper's posting on "The Bad-Ass Librarians of Timbuktu", I must get a copy of that it sounds a good read.

                                                    The fact that they had to collect the manuscripts from family homes and desert caves just goes to show how easy it is for valuable documents to be lost forever.

                                                    Mike Poole's suggestion that as a project we each scan a set number of issues from our collections in an agreed format is a very sound idea. Many years ago I was one of a group of volunteers involved in the transferring of over 270,000 hand written records into a computer database, it did not take forever, so it can be done. Just needs that first step.

                                                    This need not be confined to just ME or MEW, between us we probably hold many very interesting books and documents that are now not available, even to the British Library.

                                                    Up to ME issue 4584 there are probably less than 300,000 pages that need copying, and that includes the very interesting covers and the advertisements inside which can be a valuable source of information.

                                                    Any volunteers?

                                                    Neil

                                                    #351572
                                                    JasonB
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @jasonb

                                                      From Volume 100 to 130 there are PDFs about so that is quite a big chunk that may not need scanning again and partial volumes in the 80-99 range.. Though they lack the cover and any advert pages which I quite enjoy looking at as much as the editorial.

                                                      I'll volunteer my pdfs to anyone who whats to compile the restsmile p

                                                      There are also quite a few mags in the ME website documents black hole if you know where to look for them that were loaded by David Clarke.

                                                      Edited By JasonB on 25/04/2018 13:24:02

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