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  • #346164
    RichardN
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      @richardn

      Just sat down in hospital with my son to read the latest instalment of the vert boiler, and I can’t see figure 1, assembly view of the hand pump. Was this in a previous issue that I should also have brought with me? The photos in part 4 are numbered from 1 so I assumed the figures would too?

      Richard

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      #37767
      RichardN
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        @richardn

        Figure 1?

        #346178
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          No it is not in previous issues, I'll ask Martin E if he can post it here and also include in a later paper issue as I'm sure an assembly drawing would make things a lot clearer for a beginner.

          And while I'm on would it be possible for future drawings to not have the tapping size hole printed in such small type and preferably positioned outside the actual part as they are hard to read at the moment.

           

          J

          Edited By JasonB on 15/03/2018 10:18:24

          #346194
          Bob Youldon
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            @bobyouldon45599

            Jason,

            Whilst you are at it, can you also ask Martin to explain why it is necassary to produce a ball valve seat with a 15deg angle face as opposed to a flat seat when the ball in fact seats on a knife edge contact, also a 5.5 mm slot drill will produce the seat just as easy.

            Regards,

            Bob

            #346205
            JasonB
            Moderator
              @jasonb

              I have sent Martin a link to this thread so hopefully he will see your query too.

              Quite a few people use a conical seat even done it myself, the angle gives a sharper knife edge and the ball seats more easily as I understand it. Though as you say a 7/32" slot drill is a quick way to do it and avoid making the tool. Reamed or bored would be ideal.

              What would be more of an issue is the smaller hole being drilled may not be perfectly round so knife edge or not you may not get such a good seal.

              Edited By JasonB on 15/03/2018 12:13:11

              #346208
              RichardN
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                @richardn

                Many thanks – I had been looking at buying a small hand pump, but when this series started I hoped the pump would be included too to make my own.

                From the brief skim I had earlier, the form tool would create the cone – which if you use the 'thump a spare ball' methodology for creating the seat presumably is easier with less metal to move, and thus creates a larger seat to seal? Would you drill undersize and ream before the cone is formed then Jason?

                #346211
                JasonB
                Moderator
                  @jasonb

                  It is the smaller 2.5mm l hole that needs to be round though at such a small size it's not such an issue, different on a bigger valve like the ones with 1/2" balls in the pic above where I bored the hole

                  #346273
                  Bazyle
                  Participant
                    @bazyle

                    I thought the reason fro a coned seat was to give somewhere for the swarf you didn't clean out properly to live without sliding onto the working surface.

                    #346285
                    Roger Clark
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                      @rogerclark

                      How many issues is this boiler build planned to take?

                      #346286
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        Quite a few I think

                        #346289
                        Roger Clark
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                          @rogerclark

                          Would it not be better to have it in consecutive issues rather than alternate ones?

                          Just kind of think the amount of content will be read and done within a couple of days and then a month before the next part can be built, that's going to drag big time. sad

                          #346317
                          Samsaranda
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                            @samsaranda

                            I suspect the reason that article appears in alternate issues is probably to do with sales of the magazine and ensuring commitment to future issues, or am I being too cynical?

                            Dave W

                            #346321
                            Baz
                            Participant
                              @baz89810

                              I think the little oscillating engine took well over a year to describe in EIM, on that basis I doubt that we will see the final boiler drawings until about summer of 2019. IF I recall correctly this all started out as the EIM steam plant with a picture of the boiler and oscillating engine, somehow it has now changed to ME and the engine featured in photos has changed to a Stuart 10V. What happened? Why the change of magazine?

                              #346334
                              norm norton
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                                @normnorton75434
                                Posted by JasonB on 15/03/2018 12:12:22:

                                I have sent Martin a link to this thread so hopefully he will see your query too.

                                Quite a few people use a conical seat even done it myself, the angle gives a sharper knife edge and the ball seats more easily as I understand it. Though as you say a 7/32" slot drill is a quick way to do it and avoid making the tool. Reamed or bored would be ideal.

                                What would be more of an issue is the smaller hole being drilled may not be perfectly round so knife edge or not you may not get such a good seal.

                                Edited By JasonB on 15/03/2018 12:13:11

                                Jason, nice clear picture, thank you.

                                When you make a screw in seat like this how do you ensure a seal of the thread. Loctite them in?

                                Norm.

                                #346343
                                JasonB
                                Moderator
                                  @jasonb

                                  Yes I just used a low strength thread lock which will come apart again with hand tools.

                                  #346369
                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                    @neilwyatt
                                    Posted by Samsaranda on 16/03/2018 08:36:29:

                                    I suspect the reason that article appears in alternate issues is probably to do with sales of the magazine and ensuring commitment to future issues, or am I being too cynical?

                                    Dave W

                                    As ME carries lots of long series, you could easily end up with a long series of issues all feeling very similar, especially to readers who don't enjoy one or two of those series.

                                    Because it is bi-weekly the alternate issue approach allows a much greater variety of content to appear over each month while not resulting in series taking longer than would be the case with other magazines (because they are monthly).

                                    At one time MEW, which is monthly, was running three long series concurrently in every issue and the resulting lack of variety had quite an impact on readers, even though the series themselves were very good.

                                    It's also very demanding on non-professional authors to produce articles at a rate which keeps up with fortnightly publication. Ideally series are submitted complete, but for long series this isn't a general rule.

                                    Jason and I can both vouch that even writing a bi-monthly series in real time can be a challenge at times!

                                    Neil

                                    #346734
                                    Bob Youldon
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                                      @bobyouldon45599

                                      Hi all,

                                      I recall old LBSC talked about his two hour hand pump,it now takes me two hours just to look for the materials! , It'll be interesting to see just how long it'll take to describe the construction of this one, not to mention the array of machine tools required to do the job.

                                      Regards,

                                      Bob

                                      #347079
                                      JasonB
                                      Moderator
                                        @jasonb

                                        I have just heard back from Martin Evans and the missing Fig 1 will be included in part 5 of teh series which I assume will be in ME 4584.

                                        J

                                        #347082
                                        Roger Clark
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                                          @rogerclark
                                          Posted by JasonB on 22/03/2018 13:19:26:

                                          I have just heard back from Martin Evans and the missing Fig 1 will be included in part 5 of teh series which I assume will be in ME 4584.

                                          J

                                          Umm Martin Gearing??? cool

                                          #347097
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb
                                            Posted by Rockingdodge on 22/03/2018 13:58:02:

                                            Posted by JasonB on 22/03/2018 13:19:26:

                                            I have just heard back from Martin Evans and the missing Fig 1 will be included in part 5 of teh series which I assume will be in ME 4584.

                                            J

                                            Umm Martin Gearing??? cool

                                            ????

                                            It was Martin Evans who e-mailed me in reply to the e-mail I had sent him mentioned at the beginning of this thread. Martin Evans is acting editor of ME while Diane is on sick leave.

                                            #347588
                                            Andrew Wood 7
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                                              @andrewwood7

                                              I have a question about the D bit to be used to make the valve seat. I am slightly confused in part 4 by the drawing of the bit figure 2 that appears to me to show the 15 degree slope the opposite way compared to the way I thought it should be and compared to the picture no 4. Anyone else have the same issue?

                                              #347591
                                              JasonB
                                              Moderator
                                                @jasonb

                                                Yes looks like the drawing is wrong.

                                                #347609
                                                JasonB
                                                Moderator
                                                  @jasonb

                                                  Revised Fig2 showing the correct tool angle will be in the next installment.

                                                  J

                                                  #349807
                                                  Andrew Wood 7
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                                                    @andrewwood7

                                                    With reference to the description of the machining of the M4 fixing holes in part 4 Machining part 1 paragraphs 2 & 3 Martin says to position the datum to the right and then drill the holes at -11mm and -29mm. However on the drawing fig 3 the datum is shown to the left at the 11mm and 29mm dimensions are from the opposite end. Since the holes are not symmetrically placed might this cause a problem?

                                                    Another query – when people say drill and tap M4 x 8mm deep, is the 8mm the length of the thread or the total depth of the hole? Depending on your plug tap you might need quite a bit more clearance at the bottom of the hole to obtain 8mm full thread.

                                                    Thanks for any replies.

                                                    Andrew

                                                    #349809
                                                    JasonB
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @jasonb

                                                      Yes, sounds like he has got his left and right mixed up. Would also be better if the drawing had the dimensions taken from the datum face too.

                                                      Generally drill 8mm deep and then tap, go don't reall gain anything by having more than 1.5D of fixing in a tapped hole so the 8mm drill depth should allow a thread of about 6mm or 7mm if you grind the point off the plug tap.

                                                       

                                                      Regarding the missing Fig 1 This does not seem to show the cylinder as it is in Fig 3 as the section has it parallel on the outside but Fig 3 (part 4) has the end reduced to 10mm to fit the 10mm hole. and I'm not sure why the 10mm dia part is as long as it is shown on the drawing. Also seem to have ? in place of the diameter symbol in a couple of places

                                                      Edited By JasonB on 11/04/2018 12:24:03

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