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  • #120235
    Jo
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      @jo

      It was a bit of a surprise to me over the weekend when I found one of my posts on this forum had been published in Model Engineer. Having re-read the copyright notice on this forum it is clear that the owners are claiming this right.

      It would have been nice to have been informed that it was going to happen, before it did. I will be keeping their copyright statement in mind for any future posts/threads I might choose to start.

      Jo

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      #37590
      Jo
      Participant
        @jo

        Understanding MHS Copyright exploitation rights

        #120250
        Russell Eberhardt
        Participant
          @russelleberhardt48058

          Wasn't there a time when they used to pay for any letters they published? … or was that another magazine?

          Russell.

          #120251
          Michael Gilligan
          Participant
            @michaelgilligan61133

            For anyone interested

            See Clause 3 of this

            MichaelG.

            #120252
            Anonymous

              Can't say it would worry me; not that I would imagine anyone would want to publish any of my posts in ME. Any post, or thread, on the forum is already in the public domain, and the forum has a much wider audience than ME, since it can be reached via search engines.

              Andrew

              #120256
              Bazyle
              Participant
                @bazyle

                I was rather proud the one time decades ago I got a letter published. Pity the next issue a reply rather pulled my argument apart. crying 2

                #120259
                Ady1
                Participant
                  @ady1

                  Been pretty much the situation since day one of the internet

                  By posting on a site you give them the rights to it

                   

                  On the flip side if you post something naughty and they don't delete it they become jointly and severally liable for the post in a court of law

                  Varies from country to country, in places like Finland some people have shut their sites down because the legislation and interpretation is so strict

                   

                  edit

                  The bottom line here is likely to be if they reserve the right to "own" all posts and republish them, and thereby profit from them, then they are making a contract to be jointly and severally liable for all posts made on that forum

                  Edited By Ady1 on 20/05/2013 12:33:06

                  #120261
                  Diane Carney
                  Moderator
                    @dianecarney30678

                    Jo, I have sent you a PM.

                    The hope was, from the beginning, that publishing extracts from the forum would add interest to the magazine. The substance of the discussion is the only reason for choosing the text to print. It is completely irrelevant who is writing. We will never reveal the identity of a writer, hence the use of initials or short nicknames. We don't intend to publish personal opinions (other than 'how to' ) – just practical advice and ideas. In this way it is slightly different from Posbag, which is the place to express your opinions on all kinds of matters… and sign your name in full!

                    Diane

                     

                    Edited By Diane Carney on 20/05/2013 12:57:33

                    #120353
                    Russell Eberhardt
                    Participant
                      @russelleberhardt48058
                      Posted by Graham Meek on 21/05/2013 09:53:08:

                      I would have thought it would be only a common courtesy and good business practice to at least approach the "Originator" as regards the intention to publish.

                      Agreed. Unfortunately "courtesy" seems to be a rather forgotten thing these days.

                      Russell – in grumpy old man mode.

                      #120354
                      John Stevenson 1
                      Participant
                        @johnstevenson1
                        Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 21/05/2013 10:05:41:

                        Russell – in grumpy old man mode

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                        .

                        .Excuse me but I paid good money for that tee shirt

                        #120358
                        Hopper
                        Participant
                          @hopper

                          It's the internet. It's out there, for all to see. And use. Plenty of newspapers do the same thing with quotes from the public comments on their websites. Rule No1 on the net is don't post anything you would not say in front of your mum, and don't post anything you don't want to be available to the public FOREVER.

                          It's going to be real interesting when the first generation of Facebook teens reach middle age and their kids can look back through their FB timeline!

                          #120359
                          Bazyle
                          Participant
                            @bazyle

                            Not fair.devil I want to be grumpy too. angry Why aren't my posts being published. All my words of wisdom just wasted on a few internet surfers.

                            #120364
                            Diane Carney
                            Moderator
                              @dianecarney30678

                              Putting myself in the shoes of an anonymous contributor to a forum – any forum, not necessarily this one – it would not bother me in the least if my text was lifted from the forum and printed elsewhere. In fact I would be glad my thoughts were considered interesting.
                              If I write something on a forum, am I not, by default, giving my permission for others to read it? What is the difference between publishing on a forum and publishing in print? It's all 'making public' at the end of the day.

                              If there are half a dozen contributors to a thread it would be utterly impractical to contact each and every one of them, wait for them to respond, etc. etc. before printing the thread in the magazine. If you think it is necessary to do so then the whole idea is dead in the water.

                              I am disheartened by some of the the posts above, especially at the intimation of discourtesy. I am glad now to see that some others see it as I do.

                              If you would like to see 'From the Forum' stopped please let me know.

                              Diane

                              #120376
                              Anonymous

                                I don't mind one way or the other; but the time any posts appear in ME I will have already seen it on the forum, so I don't read it in the magazine.

                                Regards,

                                Andrew

                                #120377
                                Anonymous

                                  Bother, double post deleted because my computer apparently stalled without posting, but it was telling porkies.

                                  Andrew

                                  Edited By Andrew Johnston on 21/05/2013 15:55:38

                                  #120384
                                  Diane Carney
                                  Moderator
                                    @dianecarney30678

                                    Thanks Andrew.
                                    Of course, the purpose is to enlighten mag readers who don't frequent the forum. Maybe it will lead them to do so. And if they don't – they might have learned something… maybe…

                                    Diane

                                    #120389
                                    Gray62
                                    Participant
                                      @gray62

                                      Forum post, printed in a magazine, billboard on the high street – who cares, it all helps to spread the word and enlighten. If the information is useful then why not publish it by whatever means are available.

                                      Forum users should read the T's & C's BEFORE agreeing to becoming a forum member – how many of us do NOT read the small print and then bitch about it afterwards?

                                      Get a grip!!

                                      CB

                                      #120390
                                      Another JohnS
                                      Participant
                                        @anotherjohns
                                        Posted by Diane Carney on 21/05/2013 12:20:11:

                                        … I am disheartened by some of the the posts above, especially at the intimation of discourtesy. I am glad now to see that some others see it as I do.

                                        If you would like to see 'From the Forum' stopped please let me know.

                                        Ignore those stuck in the "Generation Gap" and continue your welcome small but significant changes to Model Engineer.

                                        The world moves on, and us old codgers need to, too.

                                        Another JohnS.

                                        #120396
                                        Nicholas Farr
                                        Participant
                                          @nicholasfarr14254

                                          Hi, well I can't see any problem with having posts printed in the magazine, after all any posts can be copied and printed by anyone. I personally have no problem with any posts that I have made and if it helps only one person with a problem or a query, then it's worth it. Is it not the main purpose of the Forum posts to help others without expecting any reward.

                                          Regards Nick.

                                          #120398
                                          Rik Shaw
                                          Participant
                                            @rikshaw

                                            Diane – If anything I had written on the forum was published in a magazine – any magazine – I would consider it a complement. Please do not be disheartened by readers whose criticisms sting – people do it all the while! And if you do feel unjustifiably rebuked in future then may I recommend good chilled Chardonnay and large glasses. NIL CARBORUNDUM.

                                            Rik

                                            #120399
                                            Sub Mandrel
                                            Participant
                                              @submandrel

                                              To be honest, I don't mind my posts being used, although I'll cringe if some of my attempts at humour get into the mag…

                                              Personally I think that some of the build/technique threads on here would make great articles, if tidied up by the original author. If I was Diane Carney or David Clarke, I'd be relying on the forums for 'talent spotting'

                                              Neil

                                              Hang on, wasn't the previous previous editor of ME a DC as well – is this a conspiracy? I think we should be told…

                                              #120404
                                              Robbo
                                              Participant
                                                @robbo

                                                To return to the T&Cs, why then do the proprieters promise to contact a forum member before publishing a photograph he/she has put on the forum, but not when they publish text?

                                                Is this a bit of copyright law that only lawyers understand?

                                                Phil

                                                #120420
                                                Hopper
                                                Participant
                                                  @hopper
                                                  Posted by Robbo on 21/05/2013 22:05:34:

                                                  To return to the T&Cs, why then do the proprieters promise to contact a forum member before publishing a photograph he/she has put on the forum, but not when they publish text?

                                                  Is this a bit of copyright law that only lawyers understand?

                                                  Phil

                                                  Yes.

                                                  The written comments are created on the forum and remain the property of the forum, according to the T&C the poster agreed to before posting.

                                                  A photo was created outside the forum so the copyright belongs to the creator of the photo. Posting it on the forum does not give away the already existing copyright to the forum owner. So before it can be published in a hardcopy mag etc, the copyright owner has to give permission.

                                                  #120422
                                                  Robbo
                                                  Participant
                                                    @robbo

                                                    Thanks Hopper. No wonder my head hurts!

                                                    So if you photograph text and put it in your "My Photos" and add it to the forum, what happens then?

                                                    Or is this just being silly?

                                                    Phil

                                                    Edited By Robbo on 22/05/2013 09:32:41

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