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  • #274137
    Alan Charleston
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      @alancharleston78882

      Hi,

      Has anyone built the John Wilding weight driven 8 day wall clock?

      I started one 10-15years ago and struck a problem so I set it aside to think about it. I'm getting old and if I don't get stuck into it now, I may never complete it. I think I've resolved the problem I had initially, but I realise I'm not sure where all the bits go in relation to each other as there are no GA drawings in the book and the photos aren't much help either.

      I'm particularly interested in pictures looking down into the clock showing the escapement and pendulum supports.

      Regards,

      Alan C.

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      #3745
      Alan Charleston
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        @alancharleston78882

        Help

        #274175
        Stephen Benson
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          @stephenbenson75261

          It is a great first clock very robust design easy to make and keeps time to better than 20 seconds a week these are just photos I took when I was building it I can take more of the finished clock if need be.

          Mine would not run until I had opened out the pivot holes a bit which galled the engineer in me but if a clock does not rattle it will not run.

          It was my first clock and I made it many years ago so be kind it is still running perfectly 

           

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          Edited By Stephen Benson on 29/12/2016 11:59:09

          Edited By Stephen Benson on 29/12/2016 12:01:31

          #274225
          roy entwistle
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            @royentwistle24699

            If you can get a look at a long case, it,s pretty much the same

            Roy

            #274259
            Jim C
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              @jimc

              Hi Alan and Stephen. Thanks for asking that question and for providing the photos. I too am well into the build of same clock. I was also somewhat confused regarding the assembly of the parts. Would I be right in thinking that the 3/32 inch arbors are reduced on the ends to fit into smaller holes in the two brass plates?? Any more advice would be gratefully received. Again thanks for the input. Jim.

              #274269
              Bob Stevenson
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                @bobstevenson13909

                Yes, the arbors are turned down at the ends to form the 'pivots'…ie parallel, highly polished bearing sections that ride in the broached bores in the plates. they should be hardened in a blow lamp flame to bright red and then tempered back carefully (I like to go just past 'straw&#39

                Edited By Bob Stevenson on 29/12/2016 17:22:12

                #274296
                Dick H
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                  @dickh

                  Hi, I´m also building this clock. I have yet to summon the courage to pour the lead for the pendulum but the clock is ticking away in the cellar with a temporary light pendulum.

                  There are two "cookbook"s by John Wilding for building this clock .They differ in a few details associated with the mounting of the reverse wheel etc. and the newer book (a spiral bound type assembly of the original magazine articles) adds variations on where to place the barrel so a chime and date work can be added later. This can be confusing.

                  To get the clock running a little application of light clock oil worked wonders.

                  As to polishing the pivots, don´t look too closely!

                  #274353
                  Alan Charleston
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                    @alancharleston78882

                    Thanks Steven. That's just what I was after.

                    I'm not sure how far I'll get. I faffed about for a week getting ready to start drilling the pivot holes in the plates, and then made a mistake on the very first one! I drilled the centre wheel pivot hole 3/32" instead of 1/16". I think I'll leave it and add a collar to the shaft to hold it in place.

                    If I do manage to finish it I'll maybe put together a couple of general assembley drawings and post them for others in the future.

                    Hi Dick. Have you made the shell? If so, did you use silver solder to join the two halves?

                    Thanks for all your comments.

                    Regards,

                    Alan C.

                    #274354
                    Alan Charleston
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                      @alancharleston78882

                      Hi again Steven,

                      I've just noticed on your 3rd photo that the collar on the right of the centre arbor doesn't rotate in the side plate. I've reamed the hole on the front plate 0.150" for this arbor. Have I got the hole on the front plate wrong as well?

                      Regards,

                      Alan C.

                      #274356
                      Stephen Benson
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                        @stephenbenson75261
                        Posted by Alan Charleston on 30/12/2016 05:54:25:

                        Hi again Steven,

                        I've just noticed on your 3rd photo that the collar on the right of the centre arbor doesn't rotate in the side plate. I've reamed the hole on the front plate 0.150" for this arbor. Have I got the hole on the front plate wrong as well?

                        Regards,

                        Alan C.

                        Hi Alan

                        No your are right it looks like the book is confusing as that is a mistake I remember making, the collar should be steel and the curved spring sits against it to allow you to turn the hands without turning the wheels to correct the time. I will take some more photo's of the finished clock today.

                        Edited By Stephen Benson on 30/12/2016 06:25:33

                        #274358
                        Stephen Benson
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                          @stephenbenson75261

                          Right here is the finished clock after it has run continually for 8 or more years note the steel pendulum could not be bothered pouring lead. I had loads of other projects so never really finished it as I always intended to upgrade it to the later perpetual calendar version probably with bearings.

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                          taken today complete with cobwebs

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                          Edited By Stephen Benson on 30/12/2016 07:22:02

                          Edited By Stephen Benson on 30/12/2016 07:23:22

                          #274364
                          Jim C
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                            @jimc

                            Hi Stephen. You must be very happy with the finished clock it looks great. I only hope I can finish mine to that standard. The photos will prove invaluable when I get back to the build. Hope you're open to one or two more questions as they arise. Cheers Jim.

                            #274380
                            Stephen Benson
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                              @stephenbenson75261
                              Posted by Jim C on 30/12/2016 08:14:13:

                              Hi Stephen. You must be very happy with the finished clock it looks great. I only hope I can finish mine to that standard. The photos will prove invaluable when I get back to the build. Hope you're open to one or two more questions as they arise. Cheers Jim.

                              No problems with answering questions when your clock fails to run properly after a long build it can very frustrating however the solution is often very simple because clocks of this type are quite tolerant of errors.

                              #274565
                              Alan Charleston
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                                @alancharleston78882

                                Thanks Stephen.

                                #274989
                                Alan Charleston
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                                  @alancharleston78882

                                  Hi Stephen,

                                  I'm at the stage where I'm starting to look at the pendulum and escapement and I have a number of questions.

                                  1) Is the arbor which supports the pallets and crutch 3/16" diameter with 3/32" pivots? I can't find any reference to it in the book.

                                  2) I can't find any dimensions for siting the pivot hole or the holding screw holes in the back cock which supports the arbor. Are these not critical?

                                  3) I can't make head or tail of the crutch. Do you have any photos of your one? Is the angled bit at the bottom of the crutch separate from the shaft and if so how is it joined. What are the two 10BA holes for? How does the top of the shaft connect to the collet?

                                  A lot of questions I know. Wilding's book is driving me crazy with the lack of dimensions on the drawings and the poor explanations on how to proceed. This is supposed to be a hobby – i.e. fun! Not much of that at the moment.

                                  Regards,

                                  Alan C.

                                  #275058
                                  Dick H
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                                    @dickh

                                    Hi Alan,

                                    I assume you are working from the older book for building the clock. I started with this and then switched to the newer version.

                                    Just looking at the old (red dust-cover) book the information you seek is scattered all over the place.

                                    1) the arbor which supports the pallets and crutch is 3/32" (~2.4 mm), this matches the hole drilled when making the pallets (p.37, left hand column line 13).The escape and pallet pivots are 0.050" in dia. (p.29, Fig 42. bottom right). The newer book uses 1/16" pivots.

                                    2) The back cock. The older book uses a back cock made of bits of brass silver soldered together, in the newer, a brass plate is supported by two pillars. I would take the drawing a p.42 Fig 68 as being a scale diagram (approx 75%). The holes back plate are drilled and tapped to suit the position of the back cock sitting on the pivot protruding through an arbor sized hole in the back-plate, even then there will be a little bit of potential movement, so it is suggested to add locating pins as well. This is before cutting out the upside down keyhole shaped hole in the backplate to accommodate the adjustable collet.

                                    3) The crutch can be made out of one piece of brass and bent (the newer book uses 1/16" mild steel strip) or made from two pieces and soldered together (p.44). the top of the crutch has a central hole to sit on the arbor and is then held by two small screws ( approx. M 1.6-1.8 metric) to the adjustable collet. The two 10 BA holes in the foot of the crutch are to hold small plate to narrow and adjust clearance between the crutch and the lower brass block on the suspension spring, this is difficult to see in Fig 79 on p.45, and it is also visible in Fig 2 on p.5, once you have an idea what to look for. The crutch I made is simple steel with a slot. Hope this helps.

                                    Living abroad my clock is a wild mixture of imperial and metric. The older book uses lantern pinions, the newer steel pinions. Having sat down to cross read the two, I see there are lots of differences.

                                    Hope this helps.

                                    #275068
                                    NJH
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                                      @njh

                                      I made all the bits for this clock about 20years ago – enjoyed making it and then we moved house! Modern house with lower ceiling heights and nowhere suitable to put clock so all the bits are in a workshop drawer until (maybe) we move again!!

                                      Norman

                                      #275225
                                      Alan Charleston
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                                        @alancharleston78882

                                        Hi Dick,

                                        Thanks for the information. It's just as well I asked for help instead of charging ahead on my own. You are right about me using the old (1990) book. I have made the lantern pinions. I'm the same as you with regard to a mixture of imperial and metric.

                                        Regards,

                                        Alan C.

                                        #275986
                                        Alan Charleston
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                                          @alancharleston78882

                                          backcock2.jpgHi all,

                                          Thanks for the help. I got stuck in and have made the back cock.

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                                          The plate connecting the two pieces of angle was silver soldered and the pendulum post was soft soldered into position. I'm pretty sure it will be strong enough.

                                          I haven't slit the post for the pendulum yet as I don't have the .006" spring steel or a 0.2mm slitting saw.

                                          I can source some .006" spring steel shim plate locally. Will this be OK for the suspension spring?

                                          I will order some 0.2mm slitting saws from CTC Tools. At $2-50 each I'll get a few of them I think. The thinnest saw I've used to date is 1/16" so any suggestions about things to watch out for will be welcome.

                                          Here is a picture showing where I am at the moment. The wheels and pinions haven't been loctited to the arbors yet. I want to have the pallets in position so I can see the whole train before I set them in their final positions.

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                                          Thanks again for your help.

                                          Regards,

                                          Alan C.

                                          #275992
                                          Jim C
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                                            @jimc

                                            Hi Alan,

                                            just wondering if you have come across the website of Ian T Cobb ?

                                            He can supply clock related parts. I have no connection only a satisfied customer.

                                            looks like your clock is coming on well. I must return to mine when time allows !!!!

                                            regards, Jim.

                                            #276000
                                            Brian H
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                                              @brianh50089

                                              I can vouch for Ian Cobb having had some materials such as Invar for pendulum rods and silvering powder from him.

                                              A good source of spring steel for suspensions etc is feeler gauge material, sold as a spool or as cut pieces from model engineering suppliers.

                                              Brian

                                              #276260
                                              Alan Charleston
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                                                @alancharleston78882

                                                Thanks for the link to Cobb's site. My problem is that I am in New Zealand so getting stuff here could be expensive and slow.

                                                Alan C.

                                                #283734
                                                Alan Charleston
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                                                  @alancharleston78882

                                                  Hi,

                                                  I wonder if someone can help me with the pallets for this blasted clock. The method for marking them out using a depthing tool shown in Wilding's book is too complicated for me so I have been trying to simulate his method using a drawing program to generate a paper pattern I can glue onto the carbon steel blank. The problem I have struck is trying to understand the situation shown in drawing 2. As I understand it, the pallets are supposed to cover 71/2 teeth on the escape wheel. As far as I can see from drawing 2, the pallets cover 8 teeth and appear to lock the escape wheel so it can't move. Any help will be gratefully received.

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                                                  #283744
                                                  Bob Stevenson
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                                                    @bobstevenson13909

                                                    The pallets DO space across 7 1/2 teeth but this is just the usual poor quality of JW writings………. Cut out the escape wheel and loosely nail/pin it vertically, then make a set of pallets from a piece of tin plate and nail that up too,..then have a play of the action and you will soon get the idea. Once you have a nicely working tin plate model you can use that as the template to cut out/file up the real thing.

                                                    #283753
                                                    RJW
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                                                      @rjw

                                                      Alan, the drawing in photo 2 is to show how to generate the shape of the pallets, which are actually shown in mid position (pendulum mid swing (vibration) and the escape wheel is actually locked at that point, although there would in reality be a small degree of clearance between the wheel teeth and pallets at this point,

                                                      The pendulum (and hence the pallets) as it swings away from that central position will move one pallet face off a tooth and the other deeper into mesh, this will cause a small reversal of the escape wheel at that point and why it's also called a 'recoil' escapement as well as 'Anchor', the pallets 'rock' with the swing of the pendulum,

                                                      As the pendulum swings t'other way, it will move that deeper engaged pallet face out of and away from the locked tooth with the other pallet face moving towards the other tooth, at some point, the tooth that was engaged will be released and the tooth where the pallet is moving towards it will be caught by the pallet, the same happens when the pendulum swings back, but on the other tooth,
                                                      A bit of a clumsy description but hope it helps some,

                                                      You will need a depthing tool of some arrangement to set up the pallets to the escape wheel, because you need to get the pallet faces locking and unlocking the escape wheel as close to the teeth as possible without it actually locking up, otherwise the drop of each tooth before hit strikes the pallet face (and creates the 'tick' or 'tock'  when the escape wheel is released may be too large and will waste power (as well as ticking Very loudly),
                                                      The animation in the link below may help you understand its action:

                                                      **LINK**

                                                      There are several animations listed and linked on the site if you go to the homepage,

                                                      John.

                                                      Edited to get rid of a smiley?

                                                      Edited By RJW on 12/02/2017 09:57:18

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