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    Andy_H
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      @andy_h

      A really trivial one this – the sort of thing best pondered over a cup of tea.

      I was recently thinking about gib strips / gib adjusters. In particular the correct pronunciation.

      Is it gib as in "gibbon" or is it jib as in, well…. jib.

      So reasonable assumption, Google will quickly settle that for me. Yeah right! Looked at two online dictionaries with audio pronunciation. The first dictionary gave me my second pronunciation option and the second dictionary produced the other option.

      So, I just have to ask: what is the generally accepted pronunciation?

      I know, gives the impression I have to much time on my hands. Not the case, honestly 🙄 some things just tweak my curiosity!

      Andy

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      Andy_H
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        #660834
        Anonymous

          My OED CD for what it's worth gives:

          gib, n.5

          (dʒɪb, gɪb)

          Which seems to suggest that either one is at least common usage.

          #660838
          Paul Lousick
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            @paullousick59116

            I've only known gibs for adjusters on machines. The Oxford English dictionary defines gib with a few meanings but gibbon only as an animal.

            gib, n.⁵

            A piece of wood or metal employed to keep something else, e.g. some part of a machine, in place. A bolt, pin, or wedge for insertion in a hole, to…

            gibbon, n.¹

            A name common to the long-armed apes of the genus Hylobates, but applied esp. to the species Hylobates lar which inhabits the islands of the Indian…
            #660843
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              I thought perhaps the etymology of the word might point us in the right direction:

              **LINK** https://etymology.en-academic.com/16822/gib

              … but it further muddies the water !

              .

              Just skimming through that lot, I think we should rely upon whatever Webster’s of 1913 suggests.

              [ no, I haven’t looked yet ]

              MichaelG.

              #660849
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                I've always used Gib as in the Bee Gees

                Jib is for boats and cranes

                Edited By JasonB on 21/09/2023 06:58:16

                #660850
                Paul Lousick
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                  @paullousick59116

                  Oxford UK, Webster USA.

                  #660851
                  john halfpenny
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                    @johnhalfpenny52803

                    The questioner asked which we used – dictionaries are collections of all possible words/meanings, and in my opinion an unreliable guide to common use. I have always used jib.

                    #660856
                    Chris Pearson 1
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                      @chrispearson1
                      Posted by Peter Greene on 21/09/2023 01:11:06:

                      My OED CD for what it's worth gives:

                      gib, n.5

                      (dʒɪb, gɪb)

                      Which seems to suggest that either one is at least common usage.

                      As does the online version of the OED. That is for British English, but apparently it is always a soft "g" in the USA.

                      Personally, I have always used a soft "g".

                      #660857
                      HOWARDT
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                        @howardt

                        Working most of my life in machine tool manufacture in the UK it was always a hard g, as in gibbon. We used to use them a lot, years ago.all machines had at least one until they mostly got designed for linear rails.

                        #660858
                        Nicholas Farr
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                          @nicholasfarr14254

                          Hi, according to my Readers Digest universal dictionary, it says that gib as concerned with the machines we use, is pronounced as in gibbon & the Bee Gees surname, However Gib, (informal) Gibraltar is pronounce as jib. Whereas, jib is a triangular sail from the foretopmast head to the jib boom, or the bowsprit / bow in a small craft, or the arm of a crane / boom of a derrick, and is pronounced as Jib.

                          Regards Nick.

                          #660890
                          Martin Connelly
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                            @martinconnelly55370

                            The majority of words that have the Gibraltar pronunciation of g are of French Origin. I went to school with someone whose surname was Gibb pronounced as in gibbon. So I wonder what the origin of the word is, is it from French or is it from someone's name? Maybe that would give some insight. Try Susie Dent, she likes this sort of thing.

                            Martin C

                            #660899
                            Martin Kyte
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                              @martinkyte99762

                              Or what’s more to the point when we’re they invented and by whom.

                              regards Martin

                              #660909
                              Frances IoM
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                                @francesiom58905

                                gib in Manx (and I think in Irish) is the plural of gob (as in shut yer ..) which is beak, a pointed thing at the end, thus mouth of a fish – gib lane in Peel IoM leads to the Headlands ie a lane leading to a number of pointy things – gob is common certainly in NW England

                                #660913
                                Frances IoM
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                                  @francesiom58905

                                  the OED has gibbe an iron hook from 1597 as part of things in a kitchen – then a gibby stick from late 18th C for a hooked stick noted as having a hard ‘g’ sound – doesn’t sound much like the modern gib

                                  #660914
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    Does sound more like a gib headed key though where the gib head acts a bit like a hook to aid it's removal.

                                    #660915
                                    Paul Rhodes
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                                      @paulrhodes20292

                                      As in all language there is not a correct pronunciation, merely one in common usage which often alters through time.

                                      Gibraltar was originally a Moorish colony named after its conquerer as Jabel Tarik…Tarik's mountain. So easy to see the corruption to Gibraltar with a soft G or J.

                                      For what it is worth I in my ignorance employ a hard G as in Gibb.

                                      #660916
                                      Bill Davies 2
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                                        @billdavies2

                                        I've been in and out of mechaniscal engineering over the years, but never met a British engineer use the hard 'g' for the gib strip of a machine. Ditto the part of a crane.

                                        Given the number of influences on the English language, there aaren't manu useful rules on pronunciation.

                                        Bill

                                        #660925
                                        Georgineer
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                                          @georgineer

                                          Gib in the engineering family where I grew up & also where I did my apprenticeship with the CEGB. If it was pronounced jib it would be spelled with a J.

                                          Jeorje

                                          #660926
                                          Tony Jeffree
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                                            @tonyjeffree56510

                                            It is a matter of what you are used to. I've always pronounced it Jib but I know some engineers that use the hard G Gib.

                                            A similar problem can occur with the G in Giga – Gigabyte, Gigabit etc., which in my usage (and all the techies I know) takes the hard G, but my brother insists on pronouncing it Jiga… very grating on my ear.

                                            #660927
                                            Russell Eberhardt
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                                              @russelleberhardt48058

                                              I've always pronounced it as "jib" but perhaps I'm just talking gibberish.

                                              I wonder if there is a north/south divide in the pronunciation? I was brought up in southern England.

                                              Russell

                                              #660932
                                              Neil Wyatt
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                                                @neilwyatt

                                                I've always said soft-g, and never been corrected.

                                                Neil

                                                #660934
                                                Brian G
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                                                  @briang

                                                  I'm from the south as well, and pronounce it "ji" as in gin, gibbet and gibibyte and not "gi" as in gibbon and gigabyte.

                                                  Brian G

                                                  #660938
                                                  Roderick Jenkins
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                                                    @roderickjenkins93242

                                                    I'm from the soft south so jib for me but my Brummigen neighbour, who was a professional mechanical engineer, was a hard G man.

                                                    Rod

                                                    #660939
                                                    Andy_G
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                                                      @andy_g

                                                      Always been 'gib' (as in Gibson) in my experience, apart from a few (American?) you-choob videos. Sticky-up bits of cranes and the triangular sails at the front of boats are 'jibs'.

                                                      'Jigabyte' is just plain weird!

                                                      (Although 'gigawatt' is pronounced 'jigawatt' in the film 'Back to the Future' )

                                                      Edited By Andy_G on 21/09/2023 18:11:15

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