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What has model/hobby engineering taught you? (other than the obvious of how to make stuff)

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    samuel heywood
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      @samuelheywood23031

      Everyone should have at least one hobby~ keeps you sane if you have a humdrum day job.

      I've always seemed to have multiple ones on the go but as hobbies go engineering has to be one of the best.

      Such a vast subject, you could spend a lifetime at it & still be learning.

      OK I'll start the ball rolling. I've actually learned a lot but realise i still know very little.

      I've learned to be far more precise~ in a life run on approximations & rules of thumb i've got a little more precision. I learned Pi by heart to 10 decimal places @ school but it was always just 3.14 in practice.

      I've learned a thou , whilst small isn't THAT small, say the thickness of a cigarette paper.

      Pre engineering i thought cast iron was used to make stuff because it was cheap ( mute point these days, seems cast iron aint so cheap anymore)

      But no, it's often used in engineering because of it's vibration damping properties.

      Being a doubting Thomas,(if you're of a certain age you probably have vague recollections of who doubting Thomas was. My age you did R.E.,if you're somewhat older, i think it was called 'Scripture.'

      I doubt the youngsters ever even heard of him!~but basically he was someone who didn't believe 'till he saw it with his own eyes.) Anyway when i read about this vibration damping i didn't believe it 'till i tryed steel vs cast iron on a source of vibration.

      Wow~ those old timers really knew there stuff!

      Similarly~ pre engineeering~ " stainless steel ~ good" "Other steel, just stuff that rusts."

      I've since come to some small appreciation of the complex world of steel alloys. Steel is an absolutely amazing material…I had no idea before…

      Hobby engineering has also taught me problem solving skills~ i think engineering ~IS largely about problem solving & probably some of you model engineers are highly skilled @ problem solving with limited resources & machinery…. I'm still learning.wink

      Ok, feel free to chip in with pearls of wisdom

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      #37094
      samuel heywood
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        @samuelheywood23031
        #628096
        lee webster
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          @leewebster72680

          I started knowing very little. I think on the whole I now know that I know even less! I wanted to build a model engine, for that, I had to learn to use a cad programme. Some use cad, others don't. I wanted to learn because then the cad programme could produce the files I needed to 3D print the moulds and patterns I would need for sand casting. So I had to learn sand casting too. For that I needed to build a small electric foundry. So, cad, 3D printing, sand casting, basic foundry construction. I had enough knowledge to make a good start, producing my first castings. They weren't bad.

          I have now stopped for a good rest. I started this journey well over a year ago and now know that I need to know a lot more to continue. My foundry is packed away, but both my 3D printers are now producing parts I have designed with cad to enable me to make four 1/10th scale models of my 1930 Austin Seven Special. One for me and one for each of my sisters. Most of the 3D printing is now done. I am slowly working on the fine details. It helps to have a local model making group meeting once a week in the small village I live in.

          So if I hadn't started along the path of engineering, I wouldn't be making model cars.

          Lee.

          #628105
          David George 1
          Participant
            @davidgeorge1

            I have learnt that there are always other ways to make something with tools you didn't know you needed of didn't need in another case.

            David

            #628118
            Martin Kyte
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              @martinkyte99762

              I have discovered that I have more fun when I don’t rush. I get better work too.

              regards Martin

              #628120
              Martin Connelly
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                @martinconnelly55370

                Ingenious and engineer both have the same linguistic root.

                Designers often have a poor understanding of manufacturing methods, costs and possibilities.

                There is always something else to figure out and sometimes sleeping on a problem will solve it.

                Martin C

                #628124
                John Hinkley
                Participant
                  @johnhinkley26699

                  I thought that I'd learnt to "measure twice and cut once", but it seems that I haven't if my experience yesterday is anything to go by! Hours of work and some material wasted. And all my own stupid fault. But, you know what, I won't be making (that particular) mistake again. It opens up fresh avenues for me to make newer, better and more elaborate mistakes.

                  John

                   

                  Edited By John Hinkley on 08/01/2023 10:04:39

                  #628125
                  larry phelan 1
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                    @larryphelan1

                    I have learned that there is NO limit imposed on the final size of a scrap box, like a Hill-Billy house, it can and does continue to grow !

                    Also, it is easier to misread a rule, so as to produce undersize, than to produce oversize, thus producing even more scrap.frown

                    #628127
                    Jon Lawes
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                      @jonlawes51698
                      Posted by Martin Kyte on 08/01/2023 09:15:25:

                      I have discovered that I have more fun when I don’t rush. I get better work too.

                      regards Martin

                      This for me also. It took me far too long to realise it.

                      #628132
                      Ches Green UK
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                        @chesgreenuk

                        I have learned that model engineering (and other hobbies) require, as has been mentioned, puzzles and problems to be solved and new skills to be learned.

                        And the more I learn the more I realise I don't know… being stuck on the first rung of the ladder isn't such a bad place to be

                        Overall, indulging in hobbies leads to the mind fully concentrating on the task at hand causing the outside world to fade into the distance…it is very refreshing.

                        Ches

                        #628138
                        Alan Jackson
                        Participant
                          @alanjackson47790

                          I have found that if I have say a machining or construction problem, it is better to leave it for a few days, and I nearly always come up with an entirely different and better way to the first plan.

                          Alan

                          Edited By Alan Jackson on 08/01/2023 10:49:27

                          #628142
                          Hopper
                          Participant
                            @hopper

                            It certainly teaches you/enhances patience and perseverance, both handy skills outside the shed too.

                            #628150
                            Martin Kyte
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                              @martinkyte99762

                              The question posed was what has Model Engineering taught you, I would like to expand that a little into what it gives you.

                              For me one of the most satisfying aspects is the creativity, that satisfaction that comes with looking on an item that did not exist at the dawn of the day but now solidly presents itself to your gaze at the end of it. The realisation that it was you that caused it to come into being speaks to the very essence of what it means to be human. The fact that in some small maybe insignificant way the world is different because of your efforts gives feeds your sense of worth and significance and ultimately makes you happier and more contented.

                              No one would pretend that the creation of a couple of bolts, or maybe a buffer beam is world changing in a historic sense but the making of each small part has a definite and positive effect on us and is something that lasts.

                              For most of us Model Engineering is to a great extent an isolated occupation with lots of time spent alone in our sheds and workshops. And yet, even when we are working away with not a soul in sight, there seems to be an almost tangible connection to fellow model engineers both past and present. This can come from remembering advice, tools we have been given, books we have read and even from the designs and drawings of the things we make. When we do meet with like minded practitioners of the hobby, either through a club or society or through online forums, we discover we are already connected to the group and in some sense already belong.

                              On a directly personal level, I went through a very low period in my life where pretty much everything had fallen apart and I felt quite worthless. A wonderful chap offered to let me use his workshop to make a clock and the combination of its construction and the conversations and budding friendship I made with him changed the way I thought about myself and actually turned my life around.

                              So I would claim that Model Engineering can provide wellbeing on a mental, social and maybe even spiritual level.

                              regards Martin

                              #628151
                              Martin Kyte
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                                @martinkyte99762

                                The question posed was what has Model Engineering taught you, I would like to expand that a little into what it gives you.

                                For me one of the most satisfying aspects is the creativity, that satisfaction that comes with looking on an item that did not exist at the dawn of the day but now solidly presents itself to your gaze at the end of it. The realisation that it was you that caused it to come into being speaks to the very essence of what it means to be human. The fact that in some small maybe insignificant way the world is different because of your efforts gives feeds your sense of worth and significance and ultimately makes you happier and more contented.

                                No one would pretend that the creation of a couple of bolts, or maybe a buffer beam is world changing in a historic sense but the making of each small part has a definite and positive effect on us and is something that lasts.

                                For most of us Model Engineering is to a great extent an isolated occupation with lots of time spent alone in our sheds and workshops. And yet, even when we are working away with not a soul in sight, there seems to be an almost tangible connection to fellow model engineers both past and present. This can come from remembering advice, tools we have been given, books we have read and even from the designs and drawings of the things we make. When we do meet with like minded practitioners of the hobby, either through a club or society or through online forums, we discover we are already connected to the group and in some sense already belong.

                                On a directly personal level, I went through a very low period in my life where pretty much everything had fallen apart and I felt quite worthless. A wonderful chap offered to let me use his workshop to make a clock and the combination of its construction and the conversations and budding friendship I made with him changed the way I thought about myself and actually turned my life around.

                                So I would claim that Model Engineering can provide wellbeing on a mental, social and maybe even spiritual level.

                                regards Martin

                                #628156
                                Peter Cook 6
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                                  @petercook6

                                  What has Model Engineering taught me

                                  a) Enormous respect for those who do it to a far better standard than I can achieve, either professionally or as amateurs.

                                  b) you can never have too many tools. The one you want just now is the one you don't have – and either have to get one, make one or get very ingenious with the one you have.

                                  #628164
                                  PatJ
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                                    @patj87806

                                    I have to agree with Ches, that while I love to build things, concentrating on the task at hand has the added benefit of closing out the swirl of other things that goes on in the world, and gives some much needed peace of mind.

                                    And also I can relate to what Martin said, where I had a similar experience with reaching perhaps the lowest point ever in my life. Learning to build models gave me a positive outlet to recover.

                                    I found a couple of books from the 1920's about model builders, and they made their own patterns, and then had the parts cast in iron. I became obsessed with casting my own iron parts, and even though I was told across the board that I would never achieve that in a hobby setting, I did achieve it, and can pour up to 90 lbs of gray iron, and make some flawless gray iron castings of anything I want to make.

                                    I love the feel/mass of iron, and the way it machines and taps. And the old saying is "it wears like iron".

                                    So what I learned is that one can do a lot more in this hobby than many/most/all would let on.

                                    And the fear of damaging a rare or expensive casting is gone.  If I damage or break a casting, I just make another one, and I can make an exact copy of any casting, or recreate almost any old engine.

                                    The "iron club" is a phenomenal thing, and I hope to see many more hobby folks get into it.

                                    When you couple 3D modeling and 3D printing/pattern making, then the sky becomes the limit on what someone can build.

                                    These are exciting times for the hobby for sure.

                                    Pat J

                                    Edit:

                                    I was also told that any iron castings I made would be full of defects, such as blow holes, hard spots, inclusions, etc.  This also was false.  Perfect iron castings that are easily machinable can be made on a hobby level.  There is no excuse for poor quality iron castings from any source.

                                    Edited By PatJ on 08/01/2023 13:11:25

                                    Edited By PatJ on 08/01/2023 13:18:03

                                    #628166
                                    Chris Pearson 1
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                                      @chrispearson1
                                      Posted by Martin Kyte on 08/01/2023 09:15:25:

                                      I have discovered that I have more fun when I don’t rush. I get better work too.

                                      I have, I hope, learned to stop when I begin to get tired.

                                      #628301
                                      Mick B1
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                                        @mickb1

                                        That it's more satisfying to achieve what you're aiming for by finding another way of using a common tool, than by buying or making a specialist one.

                                        I was gonna say "finding a new way of using…", but often we must reasonably assume that uncounted numbers of other engineers will've thunk the same thought before…

                                        laugh

                                        #628305
                                        An Other
                                        Participant
                                          @another21905

                                          I learnt never to tell anyone what I've been doing – inevitably, someone will tell you :

                                          a) that you have done it wrong or

                                          b) complain that it is unsafe or

                                          c) provide links to someone who did it all years before.

                                          I can manage quite well without either brickbats or compliments.

                                          frown

                                          #628324
                                          bernard towers
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                                            @bernardtowers37738

                                            An Other, The trouble is with this hobby is that there nis 10ways of doing the same thing, it depends on your kit and skill level, keep at it, nice models by the way

                                            #628325
                                            JA
                                            Participant
                                              @ja

                                              I do not know. It keeps me mentally active and out of the pub.

                                              I know what engineering has taught and given me.

                                              JA

                                              #628333
                                              An Other
                                              Participant
                                                @another21905

                                                Hi, Bernard,

                                                I totally agree with you that there are multiple ways to do things – but somehow it seems that no matter which way one chooses, someone will tell you its wrong, or otherwise criticize it – there are many threads on this forum alone to testify to that.

                                                I have no problem with constructive criticism, either, but nowadays it always seems to be used to 'score a point' – better to keep quiet and enjoy what I do, I think.

                                                #628346
                                                DiogenesII
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                                                  @diogenesii
                                                  Posted by bernard towers on 09/01/2023 15:43:35:

                                                  .. ..nice models by the way.. …

                                                  +1 yes

                                                  #628357
                                                  Chris Mate
                                                  Participant
                                                    @chrismate31303

                                                    Drawbar MT4:
                                                    Something I learned from here is not to overtighten the drawbar on MT4 for your mill and then has to hammer it down to change out for another MT4 toolholder. So from this I went a step further and machined a handwheel innerside of an old circular saw about the size of a Singer Knitting machine handwheel, so I can press a socket in it, to hand tighten the drawbar with it, no spanner.

                                                    It works like a dream, no slip so far easy remova, just one tapl. I just remove the handwheel each time no problem.

                                                    #628359
                                                    Neil Wyatt
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                                                      @neilwyatt

                                                      I have learnt that, if you are patient and careful, willing to take advice and to do things again if they go wrong, you can achieve things way beyond what you thought you were capable of.

                                                      Neil

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