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  • #616295
    Bill Dawes
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      @billdawes

      I think this could be classed as ME related as we all like a nice holiday don't we?

      Booked a cruise with P&O 3 years ago, postponed due to Covid and finall settled on 8th October this year.

      Did a health declaration today having first conducted a (negative) Covid test.

      One of the questions was had I experienced one of the many symptons listed, probably covering every ailment know to man, being honest I ticked the yes box as developed a cold last week, on its way out now, assuming it would follow up with more specific questions, BAM no messing, refused boarding and cruise cancelled.

      My wife phoned to plead our case but they wouldn't budge. It doesn'r always pay to be honest.

      Bill D.

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      #36998
      Bill Dawes
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        @billdawes
        #616308
        DMB
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          @dmb

          Hi Bill,

          I think that if I was planning a foreign holiday and needed insurance, I think that I would ask my Surgery for a complete copy of my medical record and make sure that items listed were declared. That way, when/if there was a claim the insurance company would not be able to find some undeclared health problem.

          John

          #616320
          Steviegtr
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            @steviegtr

            Oh dear , so sad after waiting all that time. I guess you being honest did cause the refusal. I hope they get you booked on another soon. I do know with cruises they are very strict probably because of the confines of a ship with so many people.

            Always fancied a cruise but so expensive.

            Steve.

            #616324
            HOWARDT
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              @howardt

              Reading the full travel insurance documents will give you an unpleasant time. We were due to take up a covid delayed flight and holiday this year, my wife became ill after rebooking the flight. I generally book the rest of the holiday once I had the exact flight dates, so in this case hadn’t booked anything else or bothered with insurance at this time. Read through various travel insurance policies and deduced we wouldn’t be able to fly for some time. Basically there is a long list of the usual medical things of which you can only have one without informing them. Then if you have had or are in need of surgery you have to be signed off from the hospital for some time. It goes on and on, I think we will stick with the UK and avoid the hassle.

              #616403
              Bill Dawes
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                @billdawes

                Part of our cruise insurance was pre-existing medical conditions, which we always declare and I can tell you are many although like many people of a certain age all the conditions are under control so we do live a fairly normal life.

                On a cruise especially, the insurance is an eye watering amount for us so if you are thinking of your fist cruise do a check of this first. This would have been our fifth cruise, we love them, it enables you to visit many places whilst taking your hotel with you. True the places you visit will be a box tick as it is only a taster but over the years it has enabled us to rule in/out places to spend more time at in the future.

                One recommendation I always make to people for their first cruise, spend the extra on a balcony cabin if you can.

                As it's turned out I had a dreadful nights 'sleep' with my cough so feeling quite done in so in a way relieved we are not now going.

                Bill D.

                #616418
                Paul Rhodes
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                  @paulrhodes20292

                  Bill sorry your cruise is postponed, hope you get better soon.
                  I suspect everyone is very quick to blame the cruise ship owners if they get food poisoning or Covid whilst on the ship and certainly I would be displeased if my cruise was ruined by someone who lied and subsequently infected their table by coughing all over them.

                  So well done for being straight in your responses.

                  #616441
                  Ady1
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                    @ady1

                    A cough is the biggest signal that you've contracted the covid at the moment, it's been pretty rampant up here and almost everyone I know has been caught out by it over the last 3 months

                    So I would be more grateful than disappointed that you stayed at home

                    It's a relatively mild flu, a week in bed and a couple of weeks to get back to your old self

                    The Chinese are mad if they think they can stop this thing, they must be praying for some kind of magic bullet to suddenly be developed by big pharma and immunise the population

                    Edited By Ady1 on 07/10/2022 19:06:23

                    #616443
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      One of my clients thought she had a bad cold, did 4 home tests on consecutive days all negative then went and got a proper one and that was positive, guess they are just playing safe. I think it was her that I got Covid from.

                      #616471
                      Bill Phinn
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                        @billphinn90025
                        Posted by Ady1 on 07/10/2022 19:01:24:

                        The Chinese are mad if they think they can stop this thing, they must be praying for some kind of magic bullet to suddenly be developed by big pharma and immunise the population

                        Edited By Ady1 on 07/10/2022 19:06:23

                        I think part of the problem is that the magic bullet is available to them, but they are determined to get their hands not only on the bullet, but on the secret behind its magic.

                        #616494
                        Ady1
                        Participant
                          @ady1

                          A vaccination will only mitigate the disease, it can't stop it

                          The west has done well to manage the issue as best it can, first by trying not to let the medical system be overwhelmed, and then by letting it spread freely throughout the general population

                          We were lucky that the Delta variant became far less potent

                          Mother nature is always testing her little critters and thinning the herd

                          #616575
                          Bill Dawes
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                            @billdawes

                            I do get the safety bit, the the way the cruise cancelled was just brutal, black or white so it was quite a shock.

                            Trying to wash my germs away with a shower this morning (ok I know it doesn't but it freshens you up for a while) it suddenly occurred to me that what if you suffer from hay fever, which I do, how do you answer then?

                            Bill D.

                            #616578
                            John Doe 2
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                              @johndoe2

                              I once wanted to do a gentle bit of SCUBA diving on holiday in Australia, and answered truthfully about having had bronchitis, aged 5, (about 40 years previously at the time). I had done a SCUBA diving course in the UK, but did not have any paperwork with me. The fact that I had been perfectly fit in the many years since the bronchitis; with no medical issues whatsoever relating to my lungs, and the fact I am very fit and run 10km every week, did not sway them.

                              So I just snorkelled instead, and actually, I noticed the SCUBA class were all kneeling on the bottom doing mask-off, mask-on, and mask clearing drills, which is SCUBA diving basics. I would have wanted to actually look at the wildlife down there, not do basic drills, so a lucky escape for me I suppose.

                              It was P&O who just sacked 800 staff and hired cheaper staff from elsewhere, so I wouldn't give them my money in principle – even if I had it.

                              .

                              Edited By John Doe 2 on 08/10/2022 15:53:37

                              #616586
                              Samsaranda
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                                @samsaranda

                                My Granddaughter is a sister in our local hospital and she is of the opinion that the results of lateral flow Covid tests are at best variable and at worst pretty useless. The accuracy of the tests has been stated as 47% so not surprised Jason’s client tested positive with a proper test after 4 negatives with home testing.

                                In respect of cruises I had my fill as a youngster, my father was a civil servant and he was posted to Malaya in the last dying days of the British Empire, we spent Six years there and travelled out and back from UK twice during that time, because of his position we travelled first class on what were P&O ships doing the Far East route, it took 28 days each way for the journey. I experienced various situations whilst aboard, a Typhoon in the Bay of Bengal, that was frightening especially as I was only 12 years old at the time. Another incident was a seized prop shaft in the Red Sea, and I happened to be on the first convoy of ships to be allowed through the Suez Canal after the Suez Crisis, there were damaged ships littering the canal and the Bitter Lakes, needless to say the Egyptians were not very friendly to British ships as we had not long finished bombing them, no desire to go cruising now. Dave W

                                #616602
                                Bazyle
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                                  @bazyle

                                  Bill a cruise would only have lasted a few days. Now you can spend the money on another shed and tools which you can enjoy every day for years face 9

                                  #616616
                                  Bill Dawes
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                                    @billdawes

                                    John the P&O you refer to are P&O Ferries, an entirely separate company from P&O cruises now. Never understood why reputable companies are wiliing to sell off part of their businesss together with their good name when they will have no control over how the company is run.

                                    #616770
                                    Bill Dawes
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                                      @billdawes

                                      Just a final note to say how impressed I was with the NHS yesterday.

                                      My wife was concerned that I was developing a chest infection so dialled 111.

                                      If you've never used this service you have to be very patient (no pun intended) it is a filtration process so you will be asked many apparently entirely unconnected questions but which probably can be relevent if you are a medic.

                                      The result of this is the promise of a call within the hour from an out of hours doctor, who duly called, had a chat and said he would to like to examine me (face to face, that was a pleasant surprise for a start) this was at Bridgwater Community Hospital, a relatively new one about 15 miles from where we live. Doc was great, very thorough examination, prescibed some antibiotics.

                                      The friendly guy on reception went over and above the get a print off for the report despite some IT gremlins when I explained we had to cancel a cruise. Despite his best efforts he promised that when it was sorted he would email it through. He dismissed our thanks by saying it was his job to help. Email duly arrived last night.

                                      Amazingly found a pharmacy around the corner open until 9pm.

                                      So it took all day pretty much, but all sorted, great service and all on a Sunday. (oh and free car parking at the hospital)

                                      Bill D.

                                      #616771
                                      Bill Dawes
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                                        @billdawes

                                        PS mightily relieved we are not on the cruise in the event but my concern remains at the nature of the medical declaration, it is too black and white, i, like many people suffer from hay fever so you would have to tick the yes box dishonestly to make sure you do not lose your booking.

                                        Bill D.

                                        #616785
                                        John Doe 2
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                                          @johndoe2
                                          Posted by Bill Dawes on 08/10/2022 19:32:48:

                                          John the P&O you refer to are P&O Ferries, an entirely separate company from P&O cruises now. Never understood why reputable companies are wiliing to sell off part of their businesss together with their good name when they will have no control over how the company is run.

                                          Ah, thank you for the clarification. I stand corrected.

                                          #616792
                                          Ady1
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                                            @ady1
                                            Posted by Bill Dawes on 10/10/2022 10:41:26:

                                            PS mightily relieved we are not on the cruise in the event

                                            Bill D.

                                            Once you're recovered that's you got decent immunity/resistance for up to 2 years for travelling purposes

                                            I was always getting flu stuff from the Great British Public but once I had got it then the following 1-2 years was a doddle until the next variant arrived

                                            #616942
                                            Morty
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                                              @morty

                                              Hi Bill!

                                              Sorry to hear of Your holiday woes.

                                              We sailed to Norway on Iona at the end of April this Year, took Covid tests just before going,and both had to get an Antigen test within 24 hours of sailing, but of a rush to be honest!

                                              Joined the ship and caught covid on last day – onboard!

                                              We wondered if they we're testing the crew to the same standard as the as the passengers??

                                              Good luck with sorting things out and I hope You get to go on Your cruise soon!

                                              Cheers, Pete

                                              #616963
                                              Bill Dawes
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                                                @billdawes

                                                Thank you Morty,

                                                As a matter of interest how did you find your cruise, I ask because a friend of mine recently returned from a P&O cruise (not IONA) and whilst he enjoyed it he felt a noticeable fall in standards compared to the several other P&O cruises he has had. We have had one P&O cruise previously on Brittania which we felt was our best cruise ever, service and personal attention to my gluten free (Coeliac) diet just made the holiday experience so much more stress free.

                                                Just doing our cancellation claim with insurance people (Staysure) hope this is grief free.

                                                Bill D.

                                                #616991
                                                Morty
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                                                  @morty

                                                  Hi Bill!

                                                  I agree with Your friend, and it answers a question for Us too!

                                                  We have been fortunate to go on four cruise previous to the Iona one, ( two on Azura, the maiden cruise of Britannia,

                                                  And one on Ventura), all good, but the experience on Iona was not good.

                                                  The Ship seemed 'faceless' in as much as You could walk from one end to the other without knowing You were on a P&O ship.

                                                  There was one cabin steward doing a lot of cabins on His Own, and He had no cleaner to help Him.

                                                  Resteraunt food was good, but the staff numbers were reduced which put them under excessive pressure.

                                                  The Buffet,always usually a highlght…… was awful!!!! Went once when We boarded, never went back,food very variable, slow refilling and temperature hit and miss, very disappointing.

                                                  Never went to a show,as We were led to believe We had to book on the 'App'' but found out on the last day We could have just turned up! (My Wife tried to use the app once and it took Her phone down)

                                                  Reception Staff did not seem interested at all ,not Our experience on previous cruises.

                                                  It put us off going with P&O again, if We did it would be on Azura/Ventura or one of the smaller ships, but We did not know if the standards had dropped on the whole fleet.I

                                                  Which ship did Your friend sail on Bill?

                                                  It would be interesting to know if they have messed one of Our favourites up!sad

                                                  All the best, Pete

                                                  #616996
                                                  Tony Pratt 1
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                                                    @tonypratt1

                                                    Interested to know if P & O prices fell in line with the reduction in quality?

                                                    Tony

                                                    #616998
                                                    Samsaranda
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                                                      @samsaranda

                                                      A colleague of mine, who I shoot with on Sundays, has just returned from a cruise which was around the Northern Canadian coast and was meant to call in at a number of small harbours, unfortunately the cruise coincided with the two recent hurricanes reaching Canadian waters, he said the ship was subjected to prolonged periods of 5 metre swells which meant that navigating into the small harbours was not possible. The icing on the cake was that he and his wife both contracted Covid whilst onboard, this meant that they were virtually locked in their cabin for 10 days with meals brought to them, he said that the Covid was pretty vicious and affected them both very badly. He has thoughts about how stringent the company were about Covid screening both passengers and crew before they embarked. I question, because Covid cases are rising rapidly, how safe from infection can you be if you and 2,000 others are confined in a steel box and all breathing the same air, not my idea of a holiday but perhaps Covid will at some point be eradicated and circumstances change. Dave W

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