In its basic principle – what is the difference between this and the while meter in our house in the early sixties?

What in effect they are saying is that between 17.00 and 20.00 the price per unit will rise in order to reap maximum profit for the period when customers return home from work and switch on their heating, use their ovens to cook dinner and plug their EVs in to recharge the batteries. Those with Smart meters will pay a higher price for units used during that period, now the true purpose of Smart meters is becoming apparent, they are not to help users save money, the propaganda used by the energy companies, but to maximise profits for energy suppliers. My energy supplier will have a hard job trying to charge me extra for using units during that time period because I don’t have a Smart meter and will be resisting all attempts to fit one, at the moment they are not compulsory. I suppose we can expect that the meters will also be used to charge a much reduced cost per unit for times when there is low demand, typically the early hours of the morning from midnight to 7.00 am, I think very few people use much electricity during that period, unless they have an Economy 7 tariff, which I am on, it affords me plenty of cheap units to charge my solar batteries using the winter months that I can then use during the day and avoid paying the standard unit rate. Dave W

Martin, I can easily see that coming. One question that needs to be answered is when tariffs are variable, as is being proposed, how does that fit in with the Regulators Price Cap for unit prices for customers, it makes a mockery of a Regulator ensuring that customers annual bills are reasonable and affordable.

Dave W

No, theyare actually suggesting that a rebate could be paid for use during low demand periods.

No different to the old economy 7 system. It makes a lot of sense if it results in less use of Open Cycle Gas Turbines. Much better to keep within base load where possible. Most modern washing machines and dishwashers have timers so you can load whenever you like and auto operate later in the evening or night.

We all should be part of the solution not the problem.

regards Martin

My suspicions were aroused as to where this is leading once I'd cottoned on to the fact that there is a world-wide push to elimanate any energy source from being available to us except smart metered electricity.

No petrol, no diesel, no gas powered boilers and certainly nothing fueled by coal.

Martin.

Anyone who is smart will set their EV to charge in the early hours of the morning using it's timer. Same with not turning the dishwasher on straight after dinner or putting a load in the washing machine at that time. So why complain just be smart and make the most of the system to benefit from the savings. These should cancel out cooking your dinner at the normal time at a higher rate.

But does time shifting not suit alternatives better as you can't speed up the wind or make the tide flow only between 17.00 and 20.00 so by using the greener sources at a more constant rate throughout the day day should reduce the need to chuck more coal on the fire at peak times.

There a need to move away from fossil fuels rather than a push. Don't forget Martin insists it's important to get cause and effect the right way round. It's need.

Possibilities:

1. Woke Greens have organised an international conspiracy designed to upset plain speaking realists who believe their opinions are just as good as everyone else's, even when the subject is specialised.
2. Since the Kyoto Agreement in 1997, there's been a slowly growing realisation that burning fossil fuels really is causing climate change. Also, that oil and gas really are at peak production and cannot be relied on to be available cheaply in the immediate future. Also that many other raw materials are in the same position, many with all known sources running dry this century. The response has been to increase recycling, find substitute materials, and encourage economies. The benefits to humanity are substantial.

As far I can see no-one benefits from a Woke-Green conspiracy. In contrast, managing climate change and diminishing resources benefits everyone.

In my experience it's best to tackle problems head on, not to pretend they're unreal in hope they'll go away. Is it really vital to carry on exactly as we are? Children alive now are going to have to deal with a different world entirely. It's 2022 not 1982, and definitely not 1882!

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 22/08/2022 14:12:23

It is more than just the generating capacity, it is the ability to transmit the electricity. as I understand it there is no spare capacity in the national grid, so it will need upgrading.
There is also talk of borrowing electricity from car batteries. I wonder if owners will be compensated for the reduced life of these batteries?

I would give it about ….10 minutes !

Regards

Derek

My EV is charged at cheap rate between 1 and 5am. Most people who have Evs will probably have cheap rate charging at home so wont be charging at evening times I hope.

Your washing machine will go off at the same time as your lights.

i deny there's a climate,

Since the spate of white goods fires a while back we don't run them unattended by a conscious human nose.