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  • #610236
    Harry Wilkes
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      @harrywilkes58467

      My new car doesn't have a CD player just a USB port so I copied my CD to a memory stick which plays fine however the title of the albums comes up as 'unknown' so my question is it possible to somewhere in the copying to insert the name of the album ?

      H

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      #36949
      Harry Wilkes
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        #610243
        Ady1
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          @ady1

          If you put the stick into your pooter and list the files

          Then change the text name of each file manually?

          #610244
          Adrian R2
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            @adrianr2

            There are software tools available – search for "MP3 Tag Editor". I'm not going to recommend one as it's been a while since I did this and the world has probably moved on.

            Edited By Adrian R2 on 18/08/2022 17:06:39

            #610246
            Bizibilder
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              @bizibilder

              A quick Google of "copy music from CD to flash drive" brought up dozens of hits and videos etc of how to do that. Basically "rip" using media player and then copy and paste to the USBdrive.

              #610247
              Adrian R2
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                @adrianr2

                My recollection was that the album titles etc were encoded inconsistently across different disks so even if the ripper extracted something I had to use a tag editor to tidy up afterwards. Some would fetch corrected info from the Internet as needed, but as I say it's been a while.

                #610252
                Steviegtr
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                  @steviegtr

                  Look at your music in Explorer. click on a song, right mouse click, properties, . Edit as needed.

                  Steve.

                  #610253
                  Tony Pratt 1
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                    @tonypratt1

                    I did the very thing you require by putting the CD's on iTunes and then copying onto USB.

                    Tony

                    #610260
                    Grindstone Cowboy
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                      @grindstonecowboy

                      I can heartily recommend (as a satisfied user for many years, but no connection) Tag & Rename by Softpointer Inc. for re-tagging music files. See here – links to http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm

                      It's very powerful, so a bit of care needs to be taken, otherwise you might inadveretantly re-tag a whole lot of things you may not wish to.

                      Regarding your original question about why the information was not displayed in your car, I have found in the past that car systems use the ID3v1 tag (which holds basic info like track title, artist, album, etc.), rather than the expanded ID3v2 tag (which holds the same plus more, like lyrics, publisher, cover art, etc.) – the above software can copy the relevant ID3v2 tags into the ID3v1 'space' which often fixes the issue. Although I suspect more modern cars should be able to cope with either.

                      Rob

                      #610274
                      Clive Brown 1
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                        @clivebrown1

                        AFAIK, CDs don't necessarily hold much meta-data, maybe just track numbers. I rip my CDs to MP3 using Windows Media Player, but there are others.This process is quick and straight-forward. If the ripping is done on a PC that is connected to the internet, the ripping app will recognise the album and automatically download what extra meta-data it can, including art-work, (very clever! ). The resulting music files are then copied over to a USB stick and all the information will then be available to the car system.

                        All my in-car music is stored in this way and the sceen shows artist, track number, track title, timing etc Complete listings of all albums and artists are also available to allow choice.

                        #610276
                        Nealeb
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                          @nealeb

                          I suspect that what shows depends on the car software. For example, some cars it might play by file name, sometimes by track number. And what then displays is another variable. My current car appears to play by track number but displays track title, not file name. I'm pretty sure that a previous car played by alphabetic order of file name. I doubt that there is a one-size-fits-all answer – you just have to figure out what your car wants/uses and then work with it!

                          #610289
                          Nigel Graham 2
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                            @nigelgraham2

                            As a matter of interest, when did this sort of equipment start to be fitted in cars?

                            My Renault is as recent as 2006 registration yet has a radio / cassette player!

                            It could of course be a custom modification, though I doubt it because the set has controls on the steering-column as well as itself, so not easy or even possible to exchange.

                            I've not looked closely but I think it has a microphone socket so could take an MP3 device. Perhaps.

                            I doubt my few old tapes are playable now but anyway I rely on the wireless for my "in-car entertainment"!

                            #610296
                            Harry Wilkes
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                              @harrywilkes58467
                              Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 18/08/2022 20:37:04:

                              As a matter of interest, when did this sort of equipment start to be fitted in cars?

                              My Renault is as recent as 2006 registration yet has a radio / cassette player!

                              It could of course be a custom modification, though I doubt it because the set has controls on the steering-column as well as itself, so not easy or even possible to exchange.

                              I've not looked closely but I think it has a microphone socket so could take an MP3 device. Perhaps.

                              I doubt my few old tapes are playable now but anyway I rely on the wireless for my "in-car entertainment"!

                              Nigel 2015 was the first time I had a car without a CD player

                              H

                              #610298
                              Harry Wilkes
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                                @harrywilkes58467

                                Thanks everyone for the suggestions etc

                                H

                                #610314
                                Nick Wheeler
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                                  @nickwheeler

                                  The 2012 Focus outside reads and displays MP3 data off a USB stick or any bluetooth device seamlessly. I wish the ghastly 1.0l 3 cylinder Ecoboom under the bonnet was as effective.

                                  #610341
                                  RMA
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                                    @rma

                                    I have all my music on sticks to use on my long continental road trips.

                                    Didn't do anything fancy, just copied CD's into windows media player and then copied onto sticks. All details of albums and tracks come up on the screen in the car.

                                    #610399
                                    Harry Wilkes
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                                      @harrywilkes58467

                                      Made a start on one album and done all the tagging maybe I should have stated the albums I,m concerned with are albums Ive compiled myself, so how do I 'tag' the album ?

                                      H

                                      #610432
                                      Vic
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                                        @vic
                                        Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 18/08/2022 17:46:29:

                                        I did the very thing you require by putting the CD's on iTunes and then copying onto USB.

                                        Tony

                                        Yes, I did the same and the Artist and track display fine in my car. I think my car may have Apple CarPlay though which might make a difference?

                                        #610452
                                        SillyOldDuffer
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                                          @sillyoldduffer
                                          Posted by Vic on 19/08/2022 15:09:59:

                                          Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 18/08/2022 17:46:29:

                                          I did the very thing you require by putting the CD's on iTunes and then copying onto USB.

                                          Tony

                                          Yes, I did the same and the Artist and track display fine in my car. I think my car may have Apple CarPlay though which might make a difference?

                                          My understanding is the sound track is stored in one format, and the metadata in another. Metadata is data about data, in this case Album, Title, Composer, create date-time and such. It's not essential.

                                          When copied to a USB stick, the sound track and metadata both have to be copied if the metadata is wanted. A simple copy will just transfer the track, which plays OK but has no information. A more sophisticated copy might transfer the metadata in a format the player doesn't understand : Apple not understanding Sony or whatever. When this happens the player ignores the metadata and plays the track, which works because tracks are usually in a well-known format.

                                          It may be fixable. I use VLC as a media player. It can edit metadata as well as play stuff. Opening a downloaded music file, hitting pause and navigating to 'Tools->Media Information' gives me this screen which I can type into. The general information tab is obvious and may be all Vic needs.

                                          vlcmetadata.jpg

                                          The metadata tab is more difficult because it can contain vendor specific information, I think stored as list of keywords and content strings: VendorKEY="whatever the vendor wants". The code needs to be understood to use this, but I guess it's not needed.

                                          VLC is just an example. I expect most full-featured media players will do the same. Simpler ones might not because adding features makes software harder to learn, annoying people who don't need them.

                                          Dave

                                          #610466
                                          Clive Brown 1
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                                            @clivebrown1

                                            I think the OP's problem might stem from the fact that his original CD is a compilation made by himself so won't be tagged or recognised as a commercial album would be. Really over my pay-grade but I think he might need a more powerful audio-editor such as Audacity, but that's a fairly big learning curve.

                                            #610476
                                            Harry Wilkes
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                                              @harrywilkes58467
                                              Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 19/08/2022 20:29:36:

                                              I think the OP's problem might stem from the fact that his original CD is a compilation made by himself so won't be tagged or recognised as a commercial album would be. Really over my pay-grade but I think he might need a more powerful audio-editor such as Audacity, but that's a fairly big learning curve.

                                              Hi Clive

                                              Ive played around tagging one of my albums with Kid3 on linux and it's gone OK the only problem I'm left with is that I can't display the album title maybe I need different software !

                                              H

                                              #610502
                                              Clive Brown 1
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                                                @clivebrown1

                                                Hi Harry,

                                                I did follow that your difficulty was with the album title itself. My post was due to my remembering that, years ago, I made some digital albums from vinyl LPs using Audacity. These will play from a USB stick in the normal way in my car , showing the title. Audacity is a fairly complicated piece of software however and I've forgotten the exact process that was needed.

                                                #610517
                                                SillyOldDuffer
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                                                  @sillyoldduffer
                                                  Posted by Harry Wilkes on 19/08/2022 22:17:42:

                                                  Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 19/08/2022 20:29:36:

                                                  I think the OP's problem might stem from the fact that his original CD is a compilation made by himself so won't be tagged or recognised as a commercial album would be. Really over my pay-grade but I think he might need a more powerful audio-editor such as Audacity, but that's a fairly big learning curve.

                                                  Hi Clive

                                                  Ive played around tagging one of my albums with Kid3 on linux and it's gone OK the only problem I'm left with is that I can't display the album title maybe I need different software !

                                                  H

                                                  Kid3 looks like the right tool to me.

                                                  Rob (Grindstone Cowboy) said 'Regarding your original question about why the information was not displayed in your car, I have found in the past that car systems use the ID3v1 tag (which holds basic info like track title, artist, album, etc.), rather than the expanded ID3v2 tag (which holds the same plus more, like lyrics, publisher, cover art, etc.) – the above software can copy the relevant ID3v2 tags into the ID3v1 'space' which often fixes the issue. Although I suspect more modern cars should be able to cope with either.'

                                                  Trying Kid3 on my 'Ace of Spades' example produces the same answer as VLC, except Kid3 confirms the information is stored in an ID3v1 tag. Also, Kid3 allows more tags to be added:

                                                  kid3.jpg

                                                  Note in the screenshot above that Tag 1 is labelled 'ID3v1.1' and Tag 2 is blank (ie not set),

                                                  Clicking the 'From Tag 1' button populates Tag 2 by copying Tag 1, and the second tag is labelled ID3v2.3.0

                                                  kid33v2.jpg

                                                  This would fix the problem described by Rob and is worth a try.

                                                  The car player gets Album and other display information by searching for tags. If it can't find a tag it can decode, it just plays the track with blank information. I guess the problem is Rob's wrong tag type, or maybe something silly like illegal characters in the text stored in the tag. (Try deleting the text and retyping it.)

                                                  'illegal characters' is a complicated subject because many programs are multi-national, supporting non-latin alphabets as well as different currency symbols, umlauts and other complications. It's complicated and chaos ensues when an unrecognised character from one domain escapes into another. Small embedded systems like media players are often limited compared with Linux, Window and Apple which are all full-throttle multi-lingual, which opens the door to mistakes.

                                                  Dave

                                                  Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 20/08/2022 10:51:11

                                                  #610541
                                                  Grindstone Cowboy
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                                                    @grindstonecowboy

                                                    Just to digress with a true story about illegal characters, I once received a phone call at work from gate security, sounding very concerned. A colleague had come back from lunch and had misplaced their pass, so were trying to get security to check their record and let them back in. The security guard was worried that when he entered their name on the system, a message had come up stating that they were an illegal character… smile o

                                                    Of course, it was a typo on his part failing the data entry rule for surnames, but it provided much amusement for the rest of the afternoon.

                                                    Rob

                                                    #610545
                                                    Harry Wilkes
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                                                      @harrywilkes58467

                                                      Well for what I wanted to done I have sorted it out with kid3 but did shoot myself in the foot I copied the the album file to my desktop now this is on a linux machine I then copied the file onto a memory stick and went off to test it in the car it wouldn't read the memory stick saying unable to open 'WTF' came across my mine then the penny dropped copied the content of the file into a folder on a windows machine and it worked a treat. The only down side being the album still shows as unknown need to find how to tag the album name other than that very happy yes

                                                      H

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