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    Samsaranda
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      #600269
      Samsaranda
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        @samsaranda

        In our area we are currently into the 6th week of a bin strike and have been without our bins being emptied for the duration. My wife and I are not physically able to take our bins to the kerbside collection point as we live in a cul de sac along a 50 metre path so we get what is termed an assisted collection, that means the binmen come to the front of our property and collect the bins. The Strike has now been extended until the 25 th June. Today the District Council announced via their website that their would be a Pop Up Waste Collection in the next village but residents would have to bring their waste to the site and it would function from 8.00 am till 4.00 pm. There was no way that I could manage to get our waste to the next village so was resigned to the fact that we would soldier on with storing our waste, but at 8.30 there was a knock at the door and it was a neighbour from three houses down, they are a young couple who have lived there for about 8 years, he had taken his wheelie bin to the collection point in his estate car and had come to ask if we would like him to take ours there for emptying. We don’t know the couple that well, we speak when passing but that’s all, I was surprised that they thought about us and was very glad to accept his offer. I suppose that it’s not surprising really because we live in a relatively small village and their is a village spirit, in the past I have served as a Parish Councillor, School Governor and Chaired our Village Hall Charity for 30 years. Anyway my faith in Human Kindness is now reinforced by my neighbours kind action, surprising how people pull together when there are adverse conditions.

        #600283
        V8Eng
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          @v8eng

          When the Covid problems began our (very) new neighbours offered to get shopping for us.

          That was a kind offer but we felt just a bit embarrassed both being fully mobile back then.

          Faith in human kindness, yes occasionally!

          Edited By V8Eng on 02/06/2022 11:01:17

          #600285
          PatJ
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            @patj87806

            We had a garbage collector's strike in this city one time.

            I recall a mountain of garbage out back. Fortunately we had plenty of yard space for it.

            It got rather smelly over time.

            A few years later, the police went on strike, and people started running through traffic lights, and acting crazy.

            The fire fighters went on strike in sympathy with the police, and then the firemen started setting fire to vacant houses all over the city (what swell guys).

            And then a fireman went out to the main substation feeding our city and opened the main on 500,000 folks.

            The power was out for a few hours, with no firemen and no police.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            In some ways (perhaps many ways), the US can get like the wild wild west very quickly (overnight it would seem).

            My backup plan if things get too rough here is to move to a very small rural town (of 600).

            Big citys have a few advantages, but my wife and I really like the small town life, and people will literally give you their shirt off their back if you need it.

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            #600287
            PatJ
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              @patj87806

              We were in the small town I mentioned above, and my wife went into a small store to by weed eater cord.

              The woman said "We don't sell it".

              The man behind her said "I have some in my truck, I will give it to you. It is STIHL".

              The man gave her part of a roll of cord, and she came back to our car, and told me about the nice man.

              She said "It has steel in it".

              I looked at the used reel, and read the label outloud, "STIHL".

              She said "That is what the man said; STEEL".

              We still laugh about the steel weed eater cord.

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              Edited By PatJ on 02/06/2022 11:02:47

              #600295
              Dave Halford
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                @davehalford22513
                Posted by PatJ on 02/06/2022 10:57:59:

                We had a garbage collector's strike in this city one time.

                I recall a mountain of garbage out back. Fortunately we had plenty of yard space for it.

                It got rather smelly over time.

                A few years later, the police went on strike, and people started running through traffic lights, and acting crazy.

                The fire fighters went on strike in sympathy with the police, and then the firemen started setting fire to vacant houses all over the city (what swell guys).

                And then a fireman went out to the main substation feeding our city and opened the main on 500,000 folks.

                The power was out for a few hours, with no firemen and no police.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                Yes you can – Fahrenheit 451

                #600296
                JA
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                  @ja

                  My experience of humanity is that people are far more likely to help you, give you assistance, for no reward than to rip you off or take advantage of you.

                  I could give many personal examples but won't.

                  JA

                  #600324
                  Samsaranda
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                    @samsaranda

                    Don’t know where PatJ lives but I am glad our village is nowhere like it. I guess it’s the other side of the Pond, been to the States a couple of times and I can vouch for the fact that cities like Chicago make me worry for my safety but in the small towns people are totally different ,really friendly especially when they find out you are from England. Dave W

                    #600348
                    PatJ
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                      @patj87806

                      I am from the midsouth, US, and unfortunately my city is ranked #8th on the list of most dangerous cities in America. Our state recently passed laws to allow carry without any license, and it is because that is often the only way to survive, not because we love arms.

                      It is akin to the old West, where everyone carried, and they called them "peacemakers", which is indeed true.

                      I am often asked why I don't move away.

                      I am required to live within the city limits in order to get city work.

                      I do a lot of city work, and can't afford to lose that work.

                      At gas stations, when one fills up the tank, one needs to keep your back against the pump to see them coming.

                      If the gas station looks too rough, it is best to avoid it altogether.

                      There are many "no-go" zones in this city. The key is to know the zones and stay out of them.

                      The entire city is now a "watch your back at all times" zone.

                      Crazy I know.

                      I have to work where the money is, and there is a huge amount of money in this town.

                       

                      That is a good comment on Fahrenheight 451. That was one of my favorite books when I was young, and I had completely forgotten about it.

                       

                      You folks are lucky; at least the ones who live in safe areas.

                      I have a backup plan to move to a small rural town in another state, if/when I retire.

                      It is about 800 people, and I already have purchased a house and some land.

                      Edit:  I live in a "good" neighborhood, but even that is slipping.  It is very common to hear multiple gunfire a few blocks from my house, late at night (I often work late at night).

                      It use to bother me, but now it is more like hearing thunder or something.  I count the shots, and try to figure out the caliber of each piece in use, and the magazine sizes.  LOL, that is the engineer in me.

                      Often in excess of 30 rounds per battle (mainly gang wars).

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                      Edited By PatJ on 03/06/2022 01:24:35

                      #600378
                      Samsaranda
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                        @samsaranda

                        PatJ, I sympathise with the situation that you are in, the only two cities in the US that I have visited where I felt really threatened were Chicago, particularly the south side, and New Orleans. In New Orleans we did the tourist bit and visited Bourbon Street at night, I felt that the racial tension was so strong that you could cut it with a knife, it was a long time ago I visited there back in the 1970’s. My understanding of the origins of the second amendment to your constitution that allows you all to carry guns dates back to immediately after the war of independence and the fear of the government at the time that your country was vulnerable because it didn’t have a large strong army. Their solution was to amend the constitution to allow arms to be freely available so that the government could if necessary raise armed militias to supplement the army if the need arose. It seems that the thinking behind that has got totally lost, here in the UK we have very strict gun laws, I have shotguns that I use for clay pigeons shooting, I do not shoot anything living, I have to keep my guns locked away so that only I have access to them and there are strict regulations when transporting them in public places. Thankfully gun crime is very low here and very few people die in shootings. I can’t imagine what it is like being able to hear gunfire fairly regularly when you are in your own home. Glad to see that you have got your escape plan in place with a place to go when you retire. I must admit that during my visits to the US I found some cities that felt a lot safer than others, Madison in Wisconsin, Sacramento in California, I found the rural areas that I visited very friendly and I always felt safe and relaxed.

                        #600389
                        PatJ
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                          @patj87806

                          Madison Wisconsin is a great city. My daughter worked their for a while.

                          The big cities have gotten pretty rough here, basically due to lack of enforcement of existing gun and other laws.

                          Chicago has very strick gun laws, but seldom enforces them.

                          The US has always had a wild streak to it (I guess rebellious is a good description).

                          Some of the right to bear arms is probably based on the settlers moving across the land and facing hostile residents, and the general lack of law enforcement in the expanse of the west.

                          The population here is not as homogeneous as say in the UK, or Japan, and so it is not possible to say that gun control works in one country, and thus it will work in all countries.

                          Gun control here only seems to disarm the honest folks who never commit crimes. Gun control has no effect on those who do not obey the laws. Having your home broken into around here is somewhat common, and that is the main reason most folks support allowing firearms. Folks who break into your home around don't care about your life. They would gladly take you out for $10.00. There are some bad folks in this country, and when I say "bad", it is probably on a level that many in the world can't even imagine.

                          These days when I travel, I do a web search on any city that I have to pass through.

                          The general rule is never stop in a big city. Go through the big city and stop somewhere in a small town.

                          We have not really had any labor strikes here in recent memory. I recall a lot of labor strife in the 60's, 70's, etc.

                          I do remember that garbage strike. That is when MLK was killed in this city, and all hell broke out.

                          It was like a war zone for a long time, and everyone carried for a long time. Tanks rolling down residential streets. Seems almost peaceful now.

                          You folks seem to have it pretty good. Don't take that for granted.

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                          Edited By PatJ on 03/06/2022 11:05:04

                          #600401
                          Phil Stevenson
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                            @philstevenson54758

                            As chance would have it, I'm currently re-reading Bill Bryson's Made in America – highly recommended as is just about anything by Bill Bryson (if you don't know him, check him out). In it he runs through the founding of the country and the evolution of it's modern culture, language and laws. Bryson rejoices in de-mythologising commonly held views of history in a very entertaining way and goes a long way to explaining why things today are the way they are; (he has done the same for the UK in other works by the way).

                            Bottom line to me is that there are far more good people in the world than bad ones, we just make a lot less noise. As ever, good news stories are less reported than bad ones.

                            Yes big cities can be intimidating, in the UK just as much as America fortunately with fewer firearms.

                            #600406
                            Hopper
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                              @hopper
                              Posted by Phil Stevenson on 03/06/2022 12:09:55:

                              Bottom line to me is that there are far more good people in the world than bad ones, we just make a lot less noise. As ever, good news stories are less reported than bad ones.

                              As we used to say when I worked in newspapers: Nobody rushes out to the airport to have a look every time a plane lands safely. The quiet achievers go unremarked.

                              And yes Bryson is good stuff. The situation in the US is unique. Sending your kids to school with bullet-proof backpacks so they can do "live shooter" drills is a strange kind of freedom the rest of us struggle to understand.

                              #600414
                              Samsaranda
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                                @samsaranda

                                It seems that conditions in the US cities have got a lot worse than when I was last there in the 90’s, glad that I no longer have to go there for the company that I worked for. Hopper’s reference to bullet-proof backpacks took me back to my own schooldays, I spent a lot of my childhood in what was then Malaya but now called Malaysia, it was in the 50’s and during the Malayan Emergency, our version of a Vietnam war, we used to be ferried to school in specially prepared 3 tonners provided by the army and with military personnel providing guards. It was a bit different to what exists in the US it was a war between the British Army and communist insurgents, thankfully the British Army won eventually. It’s good to hear how other folks have to live and realise how good our country really is and also that there are good people wherever you end up living. Dave W

                                #600430
                                PatJ
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                                  @patj87806

                                  Not to get too far off topic, but one of the causes of major problems on this side of the pond is the fact that the government, in its infinite wisdom, decided to close all mental institutions a few years ago.

                                  I forget exacly how many years ago this was; perhaps 20-30 years back.

                                  In the old days, if someone was not safe or functional mentally, there was a place for them to live away from society.

                                  Now, there is nowhere for these folks to go, and so they either end up on the street, in prison, or somewhere else, but the bottom line is that in the old days, they would be put somewhere and isolated from society.

                                  To make matters even worse, they passed HIPAA laws, and so even if you take a family member to a doctor, the doctor cannot tell any other family members what the problem is, or discuss that person's health, due to these confidentiality laws. These laws basically guarantee that you will not be able to get a family member the help they need, and you are kept in the dark about the medical issues they may be experiencing.

                                  Getting someone committed is bascially impossible these days. The law now basically says "we have to let people do something very bad before we will do anything about it". Sad but true. It should not be that way.

                                  These are two of the root causes of the problems we have on this side of the pond.

                                  Nobody ever wants to talk about root causes, but politicians instead substitute feel-good solutions that don't actually work.

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                                  #600446
                                  old mart
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                                    @oldmart

                                    You people from the other side of the pond often look down on their lowly relatives from the UK, but at least we never have to think about getting shot, ever.

                                    #600448
                                    Samsaranda
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                                      @samsaranda

                                      I think the points raised by PatJ point to a society that is in some ways more motivated by financial gain than ours, the provision of the mental health services to which he refers are a great burden on taxation if provided by the state, unfortunately where they went many years ago our society has gone some way down that same path, fortunately guns are not freely in circulation in our society so we do not have the mix of mental health problems with guns, our stringent gun regs are intended to prevent those with mental health issues being in control of any firearms, doesn’t always work as recent events have demonstrated. Dave W

                                      #600449
                                      Phil Stevenson
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                                        Posted by old mart on 03/06/2022 17:45:09:

                                        You people from the other side of the pond often look down on their lowly relatives from the UK, but at least we never have to think about getting shot, ever.

                                        "You people" Really?

                                        I've travelled / worked / holidayed a fair bit in the States and have never felt looked down upon; if anything much the opposite.

                                        "..getting shot, ever" You obviously didn't grow up in Northern Ireland but surely you must have some remembrance of Hungerford and Dunblane.

                                        I don't think anyone is in any position to gloat about such dreadful human tragedies.

                                        #600501
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          During Covid, already having a nodding acquaintance with neighbours, relations got even better.

                                          Asian neighbours from a couple of doors away, and their friends from across the road, brought us food from time to time.

                                          In return I have been able to do a little work fixing their children's bikes, or inflating car tyres..

                                          Next door, new tenants moved in. Our first contact was when there was a knock on the door and the young Romanian lady brought us some cake, as it was her 31st birthday.

                                          Yesterday, a friend invited us to a Queen's Jubilee party in their cul de sac. There were Sikhs, Moslems, and Brits all sharing food and talking to each other.

                                          Today, we have been given a tomato plant and a hanging basket by our neighbours.

                                          Nice to think that out of seven houses, six all talk to each other and are friends.

                                          Howard

                                          #600512
                                          Windy
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                                            @windy30762

                                            The thing that Covid did was to show the kindness in strangers, neighbours and friends to those less able to help themselves.

                                            That kindness is still ongoing today as a person who liked to be independent but health issues over the last 5 years have made my life difficult.

                                            So many from all walks of life have helped me my adopted motorcycle family are always springing pleasant surprises on me and never know what to expect next.

                                            Two lasses who used to live near me but now live else ware still insist on doing my weekly shopping.

                                            Another neighbour helps as well and new Indian neighbours have offered help.

                                            A kind word works wonders.

                                            Today while waiting for a bus a young girl with a bairn told me to get on it I said all those other people are before me but she insisted.

                                            On the bus saw she wore T shirt with two motorcycles imprinted on it so asked if she were a biker of course yes and the conversation never stopped till I got off the bus.

                                            What a pleasant change to talk to young instead of them doing it on mobiles

                                            Edited By Windy on 03/06/2022 23:58:19

                                            #600514
                                            PatJ
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                                              @patj87806
                                              Posted by old mart on 03/06/2022 17:45:09:

                                              You people from the other side of the pond often look down on their lowly relatives from the UK, but at least we never have to think about getting shot, ever.

                                              On the contrary, I look up to the people from the UK.

                                              I consider the UK folks to be the best model engineers in the world.

                                              Beyond the hobby thing, every person from the UK I have ever met has been a genuinely nice person, and I have met quite a few here. I go out of my way to talk to them here just because they are lovely folks, and they have some interesting stories to tell.

                                              And my daughter dated a fellow from the UK for a long while. He was a wonderful chap in every respect.

                                              Folks over here generally insist on having the rights to determine their own destiny, and with those rights, there can definitely be problems. Differences in cultures. We are more individualistic, and not so much into compliance with authority for the greater good, mainly because "the greater good" in this country tends to turn out being "for the good of one political class", and not for the good of people in general at all.

                                              I know a fellow in Scotland, and have chatted privately with him for a long time. I have met no finer person.

                                              I guess the $100 dollar question would be "Would I give up what I have and how I live if I could live in complete safety in the UK?".

                                              The answer is "No". I would love to visit though.

                                              I have been told "Do not attempt to drive over there".

                                              Wise advice I think.

                                              A buddy of mine who lives in Canada bought a canal boat in the UK, and traveled all over. Boy does he have some interesting stories to tell.

                                              One must live their life wherever they are, and make the best of it.

                                              The grass may seem greener on the other side, but I think I will keep my grass.

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                                              Edited By PatJ on 04/06/2022 01:47:16

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