Was he referring to running costs, not initial capital expenditure?

The whole of life costs I think. Capital cost is higher up-front but running and maintenance costs lower.

The other issue is the cost of replacing the batteries. They will have a limited life, and the cost of replacement will be? I doesn't seem to be factored into the figures anywhere and from what I have seen of BEV construction it is going to be a far from trivial job to replace them.

Or are the cars themselves (rather like smartphones and tablets) considered disposable at the end of their batteries useful life?

To trust the pronouncements of Herbert Diess, the CEO who disingenuously claimed never to have heard of the Uighur detention camps in Xinjiang, where Volkswagen's factories had been operating for over thirty years, requires a suspension of disbelief I'm not always capable of.

As for Electrek, their disclosures section is telling:

"Disclosures. Some writers of Electrek maintain long positions in $TSLA, $SEDG, $NIU, $QS, $VWAGY and other green energy stocks."

The same comparison by Volvo completely reverses those figures towards ICE cars being the lesser polluting

for at least the first 7 years.

NO government will miss the opportunity to replace road fuel taxes with one on electricity for road use (If not general muse )

We are all human, so need to be aware of human nature, and the need (real or imagined ) to charge for something.

Howard

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10-20 years is typically quoted.

Manufacturers typically warrant their batteries for 100,000 miles.

Reports from high-mileage suers suggest that manufacturers' estimates of battery life are pessimistic.

The current generation of cars may need new packs from around 2030, by then the likely cost is expected to have fallen to a couple of thousands pounds for a smaller EV. Naturally cars with poor batteries will sell for less than cars with a new battery pack.

What may happen is that a new depreciation curve will emerge with a 'hump' for cars fitted with a second pack. Also expect affordable 'refurb' packs to appear that allow people with limited budgets to refresh high mileage cars, perhaps way past 200,000 or even 300,000 miles.

Neil

This leads to renting an EV car. a couple of years driving and opt for a new model. No spares, no new batteries, no probs.

This is happening now – not just with EV's. The PCP deals or car buying effectively are a 3-year rental and swap for a new car. It's much like the 'need' for a new fancy phone every year or two for the latest (minor) improvement.
Until people and governments can get away from the mentality of consumerism for its own sake and bragging about their latest toy, then things won't change. I’m sure we all know someone who had to buy a new telly 'for the footie' and sits 8 feet away from a 65" or bigger screen in a tiny living room – while following social media discussion on their i-phone.

pgk

Alternatively, if they all had EVs with V2H (Vehicle to Home) then they wouldn't have been without power. This is part of the sales pitch to in the US for the F150 lightning.

Our daughter lives in South Cumbria and still has no power ! It went of on Friday night and if they are lucky it will be back tomorrow Wednesday— maybe?

The outfit she now works for supplied a small EV a BMW model ? did not take long for her to request one with a ICE ! set off one day to the top of the county, poor weather necessitating the use of wipers, lights etc thus not enough range to drive home without a recharge.

Oh yes it is Dave, stupidity is always reliable.

Regards Ian.

Edited By Circlip on 30/11/2021 10:52:19