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  • #36552
    Ady1
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      #561652
      Ady1
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        @ady1

        ho hum

        **LINK**

        #561653
        Bill Davies 2
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          @billdavies2

          Fail to plan, plan to fail …

          #561663
          peak4
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            @peak4

            You can monitor the grid HERE if it's of interest.
            http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

            Bill

            #561667
            Tony Pratt 1
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              @tonypratt1

              So the idiots in charge aren’t as stupid as I thought,the media were telling us all the coal power stations were being demolished with no replacement atm🤔😬

              Tony

              #561673
              J Hancock
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                @jhancock95746

                TP1 , sorry , but 'they' are even more stupid than you can ever imagine.

                Ask 'them' if they can fire up Ferrybridge, Didcot, Eggborough , etc .

                The remaining buildings may burn well but that's all .

                Luck, is all that is keeping the lights on 24/7 .

                #561683
                V8Eng
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                  @v8eng
                  Posted by Ady1 on 06/09/2021 23:08:25:

                  ho hum

                  **LINK**

                  Even that may not be possible in a years time.

                  Coal station closure

                  #561685
                  KWIL
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                    @kwil

                    When the wind does not blow there is plenty of alternative hot air about. Mind you not much good for generating power.

                    Edited By KWIL on 07/09/2021 09:02:44

                    #561688
                    pgk pgk
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                      @pgkpgk17461

                      What are the alternatives? Agile has an electricity contract that charges rates dependent on instant wholesale prices and has been as high as 35p/kWh recently with gas being in short supply and little wind. Nuclear sounds good but always ends up costing way more than advertised when it comes to decommissioning and the more of those you build the more three-mile-island/Chernobyl/Fukushima's are going to happen. I'm all for stuffing nuclear stations on the East coast and only firing them up when the wind is blowing towards France but wind has a habit of circling back again. Tidal power is reliable iF one could avoid marine environment damage. Perhaps the only solution is more wind stations combines with some way of storing excess generation for lean times – and there's no good answer to that (Hot sodium, weights up hills, H2 ?)
                      And with the stubbornness of US coal powered leccy and China's intransigence we're spitting into the gale…

                      Those of us who grew up with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows, thick pyjamas and waiting for dad to light the fire so we could get dressed in the sitting room don't particularly want to go back but know the human race can survive without cooking up a whole house out of convenience.

                      I get into enough trouble trying to get OH to turn the rads off in rooms we aren't using..

                      pgk

                      #561696
                      Ady1
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                        @ady1

                        Up here in scotchland I don't think I have ever seen it so calm for so long

                        Enjoying it while it lasts, because we won't see this again for a long time

                        #561715
                        J Hancock
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                          @jhancock95746

                          Nuclear decommissioning costs were 'built -into' the CEGB budgets.

                          That money 'disappeared' with privatisation.

                          #561717
                          Samsaranda
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                            @samsaranda

                            PGK, I think the French beat us to it, they have positioned a number of their nuclear plants on the coast of Brittany and with the prevailing wind being a south westerly, where I live in East Sussex is right in the firing line if they happen to have an “accidental” discharge. Dave W

                            #561738
                            Kiwi Bloke
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                              @kiwibloke62605

                              'Clean, Green New Zealand' [laughter] has just burned more coal than ever before. It seems that we're not alone. There's really no hope, while 'the economy' is all-important.

                              Investment tip: invest in coal mines!

                              #561749
                              Tony Pratt 1
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                                @tonypratt1
                                Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 07/09/2021 12:18:11:

                                'Clean, Green New Zealand' [laughter] has just burned more coal than ever before. It seems that we're not alone. There's really no hope, while 'the economy' is all-important.

                                Investment tip: invest in coal mines!

                                Our 'economy' has to be important else we will not have the money to go completely green & save 1% of CO2 world emissions.wink

                                Tony

                                #561756
                                J Hancock
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                                  @jhancock95746

                                  'Wiki ' CEGB and weep.

                                  1971 , we had 55GW installed capacity , and would max. out at 45GW on a 'good ' day.

                                  The difference is the 'export' of our heavy industries to China , with predictable results.

                                  #561794
                                  old mart
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                                    @oldmart

                                    Better stop using your electric car until the problem is resolved.

                                    #561800
                                    mark costello 1
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                                      @markcostello1

                                      Steam power forever!wink

                                      #569525
                                      J Hancock
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                                        @jhancock95746

                                        A really special day today , 0840hrs.

                                        The entire output of our coal-fired stations being exported to Europe via the interconnectors.

                                        #569526
                                        V8Eng
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                                          @v8eng
                                          Posted by J Hancock on 03/11/2021 09:06:53:

                                          A really special day today , 0840hrs.

                                          The entire output of our coal-fired stations being exported to Europe via the interconnectors.

                                          Does that mean the recipients are effectively exporting their pollution to the U.K.?

                                          #569529
                                          Nigel McBurney 1
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                                            @nigelmcburney1

                                            it was just the same in the 1960s,the destruction of our railways and scrapping of of a couple thousand steam new locos,now its the power stations stupidly scrapped,and sitting on our own coalfields,all this carbon reduction crap is going to eventually cripple our economy and dramatically increase our cost of living. I read now that they are going to build floating off shore windmills ,in deeper water,how long will they last in the stormy sees we get around the uk. As for corn grinding windmills,and watermills historically they proved useless as the population grew and needed more food and flour,most of them ended their days with a great big diesel to drive the milling machinery when the winfd and water supply failed,I am fed up with all the tv news being filled with a load of idiot meeting in Scotland,Whats the point in crippling ourselves with grandiose plans when China and others churn out loads of carbon crap and do not care a damn.

                                            #569536
                                            noel shelley
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                                              @noelshelley55608

                                              Floating windmills, ummm ! Sea gem and texas tower 4 come to mind ! Vast megalithic structure moving towards a perceived precipise at speed, depress clutch, select reverse and release clutch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                              We're all I believe intellegent people here, lets be practical, Eg, what do politicians know about power generation and electric cars ?

                                              Enough ! Noel.

                                              #569537
                                              SillyOldDuffer
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                                                @sillyoldduffer
                                                Posted by V8Eng on 03/11/2021 09:16:37:

                                                Posted by J Hancock on 03/11/2021 09:06:53:

                                                A really special day today , 0840hrs.

                                                The entire output of our coal-fired stations being exported to Europe via the interconnectors.

                                                Does that mean the recipients are effectively exporting their pollution to the U.K.?

                                                Dafter than that. British coal-fired power is generated using coal imported from Brazil and the USA.

                                                Coal mining in the UK was once a huge industry, but it's pretty much gone. The early Victorians understood enough geology to predict British coal reserves would last about 150 years. They were about right, as this graph of UK coal production shows.

                                                uk_coal_production.jpgThe graph tells a story. From a peak during the First World War, when South Wales was the largest exporter of coal in the world, British mines gradually ran out of coal. Thousands of mines shut down throughout the 20th century as the quantity and quality of available coal dropped, and the cost of extracting it rose. In 1970 it became necessary to import coal into the UK, which was the final death knell for any industry relying on cheap local coal. Millions of jobs went. As a result the Britain of 2000 was very different from Britain in 1950.

                                                Despite declining UK coal production, it still made good sense to build coal-fired power stations in 1970. But the writing was on the wall. Fifty years later we have to deal with the consequences, like it or not, all the rules have changed. Does it make sense to build coal-fired power stations in a world where coal has to be imported, where prices will inevitably rise, and where burning fossil fuels is causing a climate catastrophe? Not if there's an alternative source of electricity, and even if the alternatives are imperfect. Although the process will be painful, it's time to change. Nothing lasts forever, not even 'King Coal'. Served us well in the past, but time moves on.

                                                Dave

                                                #569538
                                                IanT
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                                                  @iant

                                                  JCB seem to be on to something with green Hydrogen engines.

                                                  GH may not suit every need but it certainly seems to have utility in terms of storing unused wind/solar power and for powering larger mobile units (trains, buses, lorries) where battery weight/cost is an issue. As Lord Bamford says, it's easier to convert to a hydrodren IC engine than a battery-electric one – and no issues with rare earths/batteries, increased vehicle weight and inadequate power grids.

                                                  I suspect shipping might be a prime application too. Not getting much mention at COP of course….

                                                  Makes more sense to me than the all electric senario.

                                                  Rega

                                                  #569539
                                                  Robin
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                                                    @robin

                                                    Blimey, if I didn't know better I might start to think you lot are not entirely convinced we are heading for a toasty thermageddon kulou

                                                    #569540
                                                    Tony Pratt 1
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                                                      @tonypratt1

                                                      We don't want to have all our eggs in one basket, surely we need a variety of energy generation options, or is that too complicated for the Westminster thicko's?

                                                      Tony

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