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This topic has 12 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated 29 July 2023 at 19:02 by duncan webster 1.

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30 June 2023 at 15:43 #650484
duncan webster 1
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The time has come to make a pump for my coal fired vertical boiler. Grate area is 11.5 sq.in. Anyone got any advice how big a pump I need? Some sums suggest that to keep up with a good fire I need 14mm bore and stroke, but that seems on the big side.. What have others used?

Edited By duncan webster on 30/06/2023 15:45:12

Edited By duncan webster on 30/06/2023 15:48:34
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30 June 2023 at 15:43 #3547
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30 June 2023 at 16:31 #650489
noel shelley
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I would have thought that 1/2" bore and stroke would be ample. I have a 6"verticle with a grate area near twice that size and the pump is 15bore x 22 stroke. Noel,
1 July 2023 at 14:00 #650636
duncan webster 1
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well that's handy because I've got some 1/2" bore *5/8 OD brass tube in stock, thanks
1 July 2023 at 15:29 #650646
Speedy Builder5
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Duncan, You didn't say if you had injectors and/or shaft driven pump(s). If you are just using a hand pump to keep up with up with steam usage, don't make it too small as you don't want to be pumping all the time.

If you are using it for initial filling of the boiler, too small a pump will take ages to fill the boiler.

Bob
1 July 2023 at 19:49 #650691
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I've got an injector, don't know if it works, but if it doesn't I'll either make it work or get another one. My patent way of filling the boiler is to connect the mains water to the injector overflow, or the pump suction. Then open main stop valve to let the air out. Much easier than pumping away furiously.

Hand pump is just for that panic moment when the water is low and the injector packs up.

Edited By duncan webster on 01/07/2023 19:50:21
2 July 2023 at 12:59 #650747
Martin Johnson 1
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Duncan,

Have you thought about one of these? I have had one for boiler testing for some years now and it is remarkably good. Use the pump unit (quite nicely made) and chuck the rest. I doubt you could buy castings or bar stock for the price.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334740602835?hash=item4df0183fd3:g:Q9wAAOSwKCheJJlt&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0EVjKjwnfJtTDFYek0kr4I3ufrI7chZHwaKasFDpac1CIvOODZmcogM9gjqBUhjrhlrekRE4UuaCxDU0Tp1CXRzX7YHgtZs7xrtH4xTXy%2FOWqOyBzvl1Mlz3nlaIgGW%2F8IHBqVRnTe3BgEkKNBM7ELu5x8oMXpEaXR9tcObuJVZ21qzzI1e6qXtgORLE8G6dKla3Ks9RIwxgaVGUTT%2ByQCTRS4MgfkvImAEYmIdv0jFho19uOyo2STMQSAEbs9RRENZMQIfSyqPzq6uDwB5%2Bzm0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-SPp-eiYg

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2 July 2023 at 14:08 #650761
duncan webster 1
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what diameter is the ram? Might be a runner if not overbig
6 July 2023 at 12:53 #651172
Martin Johnson 1
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Posted by duncan webster on 02/07/2023 14:08:44:

what diameter is the ram? Might be a runner if not overbig

21.3 mm

Sorry for the delay, this forums churns too fast for me!

Martin
6 July 2023 at 15:45 #651180
Harry Wilkes
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I have one of the pumps in the above link which I use for testing the boiler on my 3" T.E and would consider it well over the top for Duncan, the one I use for my Stuart 500 boiler as a 12mm ram and keeps the boiler fed OK when supplying steam for a Stuart No9

H
6 July 2023 at 15:57 #651183
noel shelley
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like Harry I would consider 21.3mm rather too large for the job ! Noel.
6 July 2023 at 18:28 #651196
duncan webster 1
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Thanks for the info, I agree with Harry and Noel, I've started making a couple from scratch. I'm afraid I'm more into designing and making the bits than in owning the finished product practically everything I've made has been run enough times to eliminate the bugs, then put in a box for posterity.
29 July 2023 at 19:02 #654305
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just to show I do make something now and again, one for my latest loco, the other for the vertical boiler. Identical apart from the mounting bracket. Both have o ring clacks, I can never get balls to seat properly
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