Russian aircraft carrier in the channel

Advert

Russian aircraft carrier in the channel

Home Forums The Tea Room Russian aircraft carrier in the channel

Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 40 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #262338
    Ian Parkin
    Participant
      @ianparkin39383

      Why was the russian aircraft carrier cruising down the channel belching out black smoke if its nuclear powered?

      Advert
      #34758
      Ian Parkin
      Participant
        @ianparkin39383
        #262340
        Journeyman
        Participant
          @journeyman

          Beacause it is a steam turbine engined cruiser. The burners need some attention!

          see *** Wikipedia ***

          Apparently it's a bit old and flaky  (1985) and has to have it's own tug in the support group in case it breaks down.

          John

          Edited By Journeyman on 22/10/2016 13:21:15

          #262342
          JA
          Participant
            @ja

            The escorting cruiser is nuclear powered. According to Wikipedia the carrier is powered by steam turbines. The steam is produced by "turbo boilers" (from memory). I can only assume that these are boilers with a pressurised combustion system.

            Mind you the smoke is quite impressive!

            JA

            #262344
            Journeyman
            Participant
              @journeyman

              Built in smoke screen…

              #262345
              Michael Gilligan
              Participant
                @michaelgilligan61133
                Posted by JA on 22/10/2016 13:18:16:

                … a pressurised combustion system.

                .

                Probably bought-in from Volkswagen devil

                #262348
                Ian Parkin
                Participant
                  @ianparkin39383

                  Ok it was stated in the independent today that it was nuclear powered

                  The wikipedia entry isn't conclusive as to whether its nuclear though is it?

                  Diesel powered generators

                  But the main propulsion fuel isn't mentioned

                  #262350
                  Ajohnw
                  Participant
                    @ajohnw51620

                    smiley One thing for sure on this side of things the Russians are usually pretty good at making more and cheaper. Perhaps they don't see any need for air craft carriers.

                    We seem to have come up with an aircraft carrier that wont take the planes if I remember correctly.

                    John

                    #262356
                    JA
                    Participant
                      @ja

                      The Daily Telegraph says that it has to be accompanied by a break-down tug because the steam turbines and boilers are so unreliable. Wikipedia mentions that it has twice in the past anchored for some time in international waters off Scotland for repairs.

                      The Telegraph says there are such things as unlucky ships.

                      JA

                      #262357
                      Lambton
                      Participant
                        @lambton

                        Surely all nuclear powered ships and submarines have steam turbines as the reactor only produces heat as in power station.

                        #262362
                        Speedy Builder5
                        Participant
                          @speedybuilder5

                          Obviously exempt from the EU low sulphur burning fuels???

                          #262367
                          Ajohnw
                          Participant
                            @ajohnw51620
                            Posted by JA on 22/10/2016 14:22:50:

                            The Daily Telegraph says that it has to be accompanied by a break-down tug because the steam turbines and boilers are so unreliable. Wikipedia mentions that it has twice in the past anchored for some time in international waters off Scotland for repairs.

                            The Telegraph says there are such things as unlucky ships.

                            JA

                            I wonder if anyone remembers Russian trawlers bristling with aerials ? An aircraft carrier probably has them and might be better "camouflage" to use while listening in. What a good excuse for hanging about – me ship is broke.

                            John

                            #262368
                            MW
                            Participant
                              @mw27036

                              They aren't as sophisticated as they'd like to project to the public, That's all part of their marketing. Most of the time these things are rusting hulks sat in harbour and can't be used readily. It's set piece theatre designed to frighten.

                              Michael W

                              Edited By Michael Walters on 22/10/2016 15:56:34

                              #262370
                              steve de24
                              Participant
                                @stevede2433577

                                I think I'm more worried by the Royal Navy sailing two large ships, designed to be invisible to radar, through one of the world's busiest shipping lanes with lots of other cross channel vessels cutting across their path.

                                Steve

                                #262372
                                Bob Rodgerson
                                Participant
                                  @bobrodgerson97362

                                  A Few years ago the same flotilla of ships passed close to the Drilling Rig I was working on North of Shetland, she looked very impressive but was also showing the tell tale plume of black smoke that you are saying she displayed while passing through the channel. I would have thought the russians would have heard abut oil firing by now.

                                  #262384
                                  Samsaranda
                                  Participant
                                    @samsaranda

                                    According to the Times today, the aircraft carrier is over thirty years old, quite ancient for a modern war machine, and is fuelled with oil to power it's steam turbines and burns a very low grade fuel oil hence the accompanying smoke screen. The Cruiser that is escorting it is nuclear fuelled and apparently a much more modern machine, the rest of the convoy are all non-nuclear.

                                    #262394
                                    SillyOldDuffer
                                    Moderator
                                      @sillyoldduffer
                                      Posted by Ajohnw on 22/10/2016 15:51:34:

                                      Posted by JA on 22/10/2016 14:22:50:

                                      I wonder if anyone remembers Russian trawlers bristling with aerials ?

                                      John

                                      I worked with an ex-Naval Officer who told me this story, swearing he was there when it happened. During a heavily monitored NATO exercise his CO used the ship's helicopter to drop a parcel on to the deck of a Russian 'trawler' that came too close. The parcel contained a block of ice cream and the message "In aid of the Cold War".

                                      I've always wondered if this was true. Military men of all ranks enjoy pulling the legs of gullible civvies.

                                      Dave

                                      #262411
                                      Geoff Theasby
                                      Participant
                                        @geofftheasby

                                        A 'trawler' like an electronic porcupine was (maybe still is) parked off Fylingdales and RAF Irton Moor, despite having caught no fish for years. Also, a colleague who worked you may guess where, said that certain Allied electronic equipment is so designed as NOT to leave a trail of bubbles if thrown overboard…

                                        Geoff

                                        #262443
                                        Ajohnw
                                        Participant
                                          @ajohnw51620
                                          Posted by Geoff Theasby on 22/10/2016 19:54:46:

                                          A 'trawler' like an electronic porcupine was (maybe still is) parked off Fylingdales and RAF Irton Moor, despite having caught no fish for years. Also, a colleague who worked you may guess where, said that certain Allied electronic equipment is so designed as NOT to leave a trail of bubbles if thrown overboard…

                                          Geoff

                                          A trawler is a bit smaller than the GCHQ building or the one NSA lives in. Maybe they beam it all to somewhere bigger.

                                          Personally I think we here a lot of things about Russia in areas like this that tend to be propaganda. Backwards, hopeless etc but there are is enough facts about that should make people wonder.

                                          John

                                          #262446
                                          John Stevenson 1
                                          Participant
                                            @johnstevenson1

                                            They do make nice machine tools though.

                                            Most of them you could air drop on Bosnia from 28,000 feet and still hold two tenths.

                                            #262448
                                            Geoff Theasby
                                            Participant
                                              @geofftheasby

                                              John,

                                              If you are close by, you may pick up spurious signals that leak out, or sidelobes from a directional aerial,and which are undetectable from further afield, like the white van parked outside your house, monitoring your tv channels or W-Fi connections, or the phone calls you make on your cordless phone…

                                              Geoff

                                              #262459
                                              Mick Henshall
                                              Participant
                                                @mickhenshall99321

                                                I served for 25 years in the Royal Navy and am very proud to have done so, reading some of the comments in the press regarding the RN makes me quite angry, we may not have the number of ships now but contrary to some opinion they are still the best there is and the men and women serving carry on the tradition and pride us old sailors have, making black smoke was a definite no no !

                                                There is no criticism of the comments on this forum

                                                Up Spirits and stand fast the Holy Ghost

                                                #262461
                                                Graham Lelliott
                                                Participant
                                                  @grahamlelliott27740

                                                  Well said. As for the black exhaust, what would be the cause of that? Poor maintenance?

                                                  #262462
                                                  Mick Henshall
                                                  Participant
                                                    @mickhenshall99321

                                                    Fuel to air mix?

                                                    Mick

                                                    #262463
                                                    Gordon W
                                                    Participant
                                                      @gordonw

                                                      Just for interest– what would be the normal/ best route for the Russians to take to the Med. ?

                                                    Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 40 total)
                                                    • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Latest Replies

                                                    Home Forums The Tea Room Topics

                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                                                    View full reply list.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Newsletter Sign-up