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6 August 2016 at 11:17 #249633
Peter G. Shaw
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I have several small containers of paint where the lids/tops are slowly disintegrating due to age whilst the paint within them is still ok. In some instances I have decanted the paint into glass screwtop jars with rather mixed results.

I have seen on the well known auction site that 250ml empty lever lid paint cans are available and have wondered about obtaining some to replace the existing junk. Problem is, that some ads say "Lacquered and suitable for water based paints", whilst others say "Suitable for oil based, varnish & solvent based paints. Not suitable for water based paints."

My question is, are the lacquered cans also suitable for for the oil based solvent types, or is it that "never the twain shall meet"?

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Peter G. Shaw
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6 August 2016 at 11:17 #34706
Peter G. Shaw
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6 August 2016 at 12:00 #249634
Brian Wood
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Peter,

The better containers for water based paint are those made in plastic materials. Such paint is sold in lacquered tins which is fine , if you expect to use it all in a few sessions. They do not have a good long term storage ability, the cans go rusty inside.

Brian
6 August 2016 at 12:15 #249637
Keith Long
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Peter – have a look at the following link – http://www.paint-tin.co.uk/shopping_cart/index.php?_a=product&product_id=27 – just the first one that I came to. You might do better if you search for "plastic pails" it looks as though that's what the industry calls them.

No connection or experience of the company in the above link.

Keith

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Edited By John Stevenson on 06/08/2016 12:33:42
7 August 2016 at 11:43 #249726
Peter G. Shaw
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Thanks for the comments, and the idea of plastic pails (or tins)

Peter G. Shaw
7 August 2016 at 12:12 #249729
Ian S C
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@iansc
I had some water based paint, dad had put it in a Golden Syrup tin, it sat on the shelf for years and I needed to move it, grabbed it by the top, the tin separated at the tide line, the metal at, and above the paint level had corroded.

Maybe the oil based paint may not be too good in a plastic can, it may act as a solvent on the plastic,

Ian S C
7 August 2016 at 14:39 #249743
Gordon W
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I use glass jars with screw-tops, ex pickles etc. After filling and fitting the lid invert jar. This seals lid and gives some protection.
7 August 2016 at 14:57 #249746
Ed Duffner
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@edduffner79357
Would a dark-room collapsible container be ok for this type of storage? to remove excess air.

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Ed.
7 August 2016 at 17:19 #249757
maurice bennie
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I use (for very small things and amounts ) the single serve jam pots ,glass with screw cap lids , the last count was 72

and all free !! .kept on racks with 2" wide shelves, size to suit space ,screwed to wall or as a drawer, but then labels on lids Maurice.
7 August 2016 at 17:21 #249758
maurice bennie
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I use (for very small things and amounts ) the single serve jam pots ,glass with screw cap lids , the last count was 72

and all free !! .kept on racks with 2" wide shelves, size to suit space ,screwed to wall or as a drawer, but then labels on lids Maurice.
7 August 2016 at 17:36 #249760
Peter G. Shaw
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@peterg-shaw75338
Gordon,

I wonder if that's why my screw-top jars failed – because I didn't invert to seal the top. I did try sealing with this flexible plastic between the screwtop and the glass jar, but the paint still produced a thick skin. I think I might try again but with inversion.

Ian SC,

Good point, but probably worth an experiment for a small amount.

Maurice,

Never thought of that. We've had quite a few which have all gone for re-cycling.

Ideas, ideas. food for thought. Thanks.

Peter
7 August 2016 at 19:22 #249776
Maurice Cox 1
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Peter,you started your post saying that the paint lids had corroded with age, but the paint was still ok. A friend of mine worked for many years in the paints division of I.C.I. and he tells me that even in an apparently sealed container, particularly if it is only partly full, that the drying agents will evaporate. It will still probably dry eventually, but you could be in for a long wait.

Maurice Cox.
7 August 2016 at 19:28 #249778
Nicholas Farr
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@nicholasfarr14254
Hi, half empty containers of paint that contain solvents will almost always skin over no matter how well you seal the lid. This is because the solvent has room to evaporate into the empty space. It is better to decant into smaller containers for long periods, so as not to leave a large space above the paint.

Regards Nick.
7 August 2016 at 22:39 #249810
Grizzly bear
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Talking of paint tins, three weeks ago I was trying to get the lid off a small tin of boat varnish hardener.

As the lid was being prised off, there was a loud bang, the lid hit and cut my nose, just below my specs bridge.

The contents were solid. Moral of story, cover lid with a cloth.

Regards, Bear..
8 August 2016 at 10:43 #249849
Peter G. Shaw
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@peterg-shaw75338
Maurice,

What's actually happening is that due to the levering off process, and the build-up of paint around the inside of the lip of the tin, the lever edges of the lid are bending and then, eventually, disintegrating. In some instances I have removed the hard paint build-up, but repairing the lid is beyond me.

Obviously I need to stop wiping the brush on the edge of the can, easier said than done, but as the damage is already done, then I could do with trying some alternative containers, hence the question.

I do think the best solution might well be to decant into smaller containers as the paint level drops, and then to shake/upturn the can to create a seal. The problem is that it can be years, even decades before the paint is all used up. For example, I have recently re-opened a tin of Johnstone's Silver Aluminium. I've had this, I estimate, for over 20 years. I've also got some "chromate" primer for aluminium which has been decanted into at least two containers – it's rather stiff now, and I think it may well be 30 or more years old. Maybe the time has come to dispose of it!

Peter G. Shaw
8 August 2016 at 12:47 #249875
Neil Wyatt
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I opened some humbrol tinlets from the 1970s a while ago, some were OK, some not. using the proper thinners a can restore the drying ability of some paints.

I had a drying problem with some brand new smoothrite – they refunded me in the end, but presumably the lid hadn't been 100% sealed allowing the lighter solvents to escape.

Neil
8 August 2016 at 13:00 #249879
mark smith 20
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@marksmith20
Theres some strange comments here, driers don`t usually evaporate and thinners are there just to promote application properties or a solvent for the driers . Oxygen from the air is the culprit for spoilt paint.

Ideas such as inverting the tin are ok but the problem is that when you come to use it and the skin is on the bottom ,so are most of the pigments in the paint. So stirring will bring up all sorts of dry semi dry paint particles leading to a rough finish.

There are plenty of plastic containers cheap suitable for any type of paint including ones containing xylene type thinners. My 2 pack polyurethane thinners are in a plastic container.
8 August 2016 at 13:08 #249880
Maurice Cox 1
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@mauricecox1
I made the "strange comment" about the drying agents evaporating. I was just quoting a man who spent half a lifetime in the troubleshooting department of one of the largest paint manufacturers, but what would he know?

Maurice
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