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    Wolfie
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      @wolfie

      I want to tidy up the rusty nuts and bolts coming off my C15 project. Have heard about zinc or nickel plating.

      Anyone have any experience of either?? I don't really want to go down the stainless steel route as its expensive and I'm not likely to be riding in poor weather.

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      Wolfie
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        @wolfie
        #222424
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Could you not replace them with BZP off the shelf?

          #222428
          Ian Parkin
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            @ianparkin39383

            I used kits from GATOROS zinc with passivation ,copper and dull nickel for restoration of my motorbikes

            They worked well and have lasted well

            #222432
            Eugene
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              @eugene

              Wolfe,

              The old bolts can indeed be replated, but the cost for any trade plater to do so would be way above the price of new stuff off the shelf, stainless, BZP or otherwise.

              I'm a retired industrial chemist with a background in electroplating, and wouldn't consider reprocessing a few old old bolts for a minute. The only exception would be parts that had special threads or shapes.

              Eug

              #222434
              Tractor man
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                @tractorman

                I renovate old machines and simply polish any bolts or nuts on my cotton buffing machine. They look like stainless and with a light oiling will resist rust well. Better than spending cash on playing etc.

                #222440
                KWIL
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                  @kwil

                  When I had to recover "milllions" of bolts and nut for a major project, a local plater did all the "barrel" loads I could provide at a fairly reasonable cost. Project was a full size mainline diesel electric locomotive.

                  #222442
                  Mark Prickett 2
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                    @markprickett2

                    Ive got a gateros large plating kit , its done loads of work and the results are excellent , especailly when you give it a quick polish afterwards , the key with plating ive found is cleanliness, plus the time it takes sometimes is longer than expected , ie you cant rush plating , if you do the results will be poor . Excellent results can be had with time and patience .

                    #222444
                    stevetee
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                      @stevetee

                      If it was just nuts and bolts it would be straightforward enough, but when you get on to 5/16 CEI half domed head bolts , things are not so simple, buying new ones isn't really an option. Also there is the myriad number of little brackets and other associated parts that are manufacturer specific. If it was just bolts I would buy new, if I lived somewhere civilised enough to have a platers within a 150 mile round trip then I would have them all barrel rolled for a very reasonable price, but I don't.

                      After a plater lost a load of irreplacebale motorcycle parts I thought 'right I'm not doing that again' I bought a plating kit off Gateros, several years ago now. They have been more than helpful with telephone enquiries and free top ups over the years. They have now started a zinc/ nickel kit which sounds very attractive , I'm hoping they will upgrade me from my zinc kit. Whether Gateros will do that or not I have no hesitation in recommending them and their plating kits.

                      #222680
                      Alan Wilson 1
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                        @alanwilson1

                        I do not know where you are located but Action Plating of Basildon will replate a large bucket of nuts, bolts and other small pieces (and not so small) for £20 (last year). I have used them for years with no complaints and zinc finish is provided in addition to passivating etc. Some parts are barrel plated and some are individually hung on copper wire into the plating vats. No connection other than as a satisfied user.

                        I always thoroughly clean up and/or refinish the parts before plating (including any threads). The plated finish very much depends on how good the parts are going into the plating process.

                        #222681
                        Alan Wilson 1
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                          @alanwilson1

                          I do not know where you are located but Action Plating of Basildon will replate a large bucket of nuts, bolts and other small pieces (and not so small) for £20 (last year). I have used them for years with no complaints and zinc finish is provided in addition to passivating etc. Some parts are barrel plated and some are individually hung on copper wire into the plating vats. No connection other than as a satisfied user.

                          I always thoroughly clean up and/or refinish the parts before plating (including any threads). The plated finish very much depends on how good the parts are going into the plating process.

                          #222688
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by stevetee on 24/01/2016 19:55:19:

                            … I bought a plating kit off Gateros, several years ago now. They have been more than helpful with telephone enquiries and free top ups over the years. They have now started a zinc/ nickel kit which sounds very attractive

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                            Thanks for the reference, stevetee [and Mark]

                            MichaelG.

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                            Edit: http://gaterosplating.co.uk/Zinc-Nickel-Plating-Kit.php

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/01/2016 16:03:17

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/01/2016 16:04:42

                            #222725
                            Wolfie
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                              @wolfie

                              I’m in a very rural part of North Yorkshire, there isn’t much round here so home plating would suit.

                              Yeah it was Gaterous I was looking at.

                              How thin is the layer of zinc/nickel? I mean does it mess threads up?

                              And what’s best, zinc or nickel. And how long does it take? Do you have to do one bolt at a time?

                              Cheers all

                              Edited By Wolfie on 27/01/2016 09:28:52

                              #222775
                              Nigel McBurney 1
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                                @nigelmcburney1

                                Be careful electroplating high tensile bolts,the steel can suffer from hydrogen embrittlement,ensure your plater understands the potential problem and applies the secondary heat treatment as soon as possible after the plating process. Its better to buy new bolts and disregard cost, particularly on a motorbike,where an accident hurts.

                                #238198
                                Tim Stevens
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                                  @timstevens64731

                                  One thing to watch is the effect of plating on tightening torques. Zinc can act as a lubricant, while nickel is the opposite, so in effect a 'correct' torque for plain steel on a zinc bolt will overtighten, and on nickel will undertighten.

                                  Zinc is a blue shade of silver, while nickel is on the yellow side. Mixing the finishes will really be obvious.

                                  Cheers, Tim

                                  #238200
                                  Harry Wilkes
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                                    @harrywilkes58467

                                    Woolfie commercial zinc is normally done to zn3 spec in english 3 microns I believe Nigel's point on hydrogen embrittlement is an important one !

                                    H

                                    #238227
                                    gary
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                                      @gary44937

                                      nickel plating looks best on an old bike and if polished can look like chrome but everything has to be grease free,dont worry about embrittlement as you only do the heads on bolts. a kit will last you years if looked after.

                                      #238231
                                      Tim Stevens
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                                        @timstevens64731

                                        The idea that 'only the heads will be plated' is difficult to achieve in practice. And the most likely place for a bolt to fail from embrittlement is just below the head. My advice is – for the sake of a few minutes in a domestic oven it is not worth the risk.

                                        Cheers, Tim

                                        #238244
                                        gary
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                                          @gary44937

                                          nothing difficult about plating the heads only tim, simply hang them with a copper wire into the plating tank. very few bolts on a bike need need high torque eg mudguards,stays petrol and oil tanks

                                          #238273
                                          Swarf, Mostly!
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                                            @swarfmostly
                                            Posted by Nigel McBurney 1 on 27/01/2016 09:21:48:

                                            Be careful electroplating high tensile bolts,the steel can suffer from hydrogen embrittlement,ensure your plater understands the potential problem and applies the secondary heat treatment as soon as possible after the plating process. Its better to buy new bolts and disregard cost, particularly on a motorbike,where an accident hurts.

                                            Hi there, Nigel,

                                            I'm not challenging the point you made but wouldn't it also apply to the plating of bolts in original manufacture? Is that 'secondary heat treatment' part of the manufacturing process?

                                            Best regards,

                                            Swarf, Mostly!

                                            #238280
                                            Tim Stevens
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                                              @timstevens64731

                                              The idea that heads-only plating simply involves dipping the heads into the plating vat with no plating ever into the shoulder relies on two things I have never come across in such situations:

                                              1. Accurate wiring which allows the bolt to hang exactly vertical

                                              2. A plating vat which is never disturbed once the parts are delicately lowered in.

                                              Embrittlement does not affect mild steel as much as high tensile stuff, but how is our man to know which of his (totally unmarked) bolts are mild steel? For sure the parts book will not say.

                                              And yes, of course this post plating heat treatment was given to parts originally.

                                              All this fuss because our man cannot bring himself to use stainless …

                                              Cheers, Tim

                                              #238281
                                              Muzzer
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                                                @muzzer

                                                Can't claim to be an expert on the subject but there's an interesting paper linked from the Wikipedia article that seems to be quite relevant.

                                                I know my company had a bad experience in the past with pressed steel components that fractured during fitting as a result of zinc plating without proper precautions. At least the problem doesn't grow during the service life of the part, it's there immediately after manufacture. The Wikipedia article refers to a bridge failure in 2013, despite the mechanism having been understood for over a century, so people are still being bitten by it.

                                                These days, the preferred coating for automotive fasteners is aluminium-zinc flake which is applied as a water-based coating that is then baked on, eg Deltatone. It's far superior to electro zinc in terms of corrosion, looks pretty good and doesn't cause hydrogen embrittlement.

                                                Murray

                                                #247646
                                                michael darby
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                                                  @michaeldarby61557

                                                  "Stainless" is not always the answer. it does not suit some applications and not all "stainless " bolts purchased are what you expect to purchase. There is a lot of cr&p out there

                                                  #247650
                                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                                    @neilwyatt

                                                    Suggests to me that an hour at gas-mark 6 might be a recipe to please anyone worried about hydrogen embrittlement following electrolytic rust removal.

                                                    Neil

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