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  • #615375
    bernard towers
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      @bernardtowers37738

      I am thinking that going brushless on one of my peatol lathes it would be an advantage with speed control etc but have no idea of where to start. I have googled various sites but am none the wiser. Is there anyone out there with experience of doing this? Electronics is not my forte but can solder.

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      #34084
      bernard towers
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        #615377
        John Haine
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          @johnhaine32865

          A few people on here have described using modern brushless sewing machine motors for small lathes with great success. Try googling this site!

          #615382
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            As John indicates …This would get tou off toma good start: **LINK**

            https://www.google.com/search?q=brushless+sewing+site%3Amodel-engineer.co.uk

            MichaelG.

            #615383
            Huub
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              @huub

              I am testing a 600W Lichuan servo motor (as second motor) for the lathe. I run this motor in speed mode (turning) and step/dir mode (Spindle positioning). When I am done testing, and all is going as expected, I want such a servo motor as the main motor.

              #615397
              bernard towers
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                @bernardtowers37738

                Yes I have seen this thread but the motors are big enough for a S7, the peatol is only a 55mm lathe.

                #615408
                John Haine
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                  @johnhaine32865

                  True, but one of the threads is about using it on a Unimat IIRC!

                  #615422
                  Peter Cook 6
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                    @petercook6

                    I have fitted a 220W brushless motor to my Taig. There are some pictures of the installation in my Album Model Engineer (model-engineer.co.uk).

                    I used an 86BLS71 3000rpm motor and a WS55-220 controller. I built an Arduino based control system to drive the controller because I wanted some additional features, but the controller came with a simple potentiometer that I used in initial testing and allowed speed control of the motor just fine.

                    Using the standard six step pulleys that came with the Taig, and the BLDC motor I can get sufficient torque from about 100 rpm up to 10,000rpm on the spindle. I like it a lot.

                    #615425
                    bernard towers
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                      @bernardtowers37738

                      Thanks Peter that looks interesting I will investigate further. Nice job by the way.

                      #615427
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        That’s very impressive, Peter yes

                        ‘though it does seem to make a small lathe considerably bigger.

                        MichaelG.

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                        Note to self: Must have a look at that motor.

                        #615433
                        Peter Cook 6
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                          Posted by Michael Gilligan on 29/09/2022 11:53:54:

                          ‘though it does seem to make a small lathe considerably bigger.

                          Thanks – but overall, it's still a lot smaller footprint than it was with the original 1/4hp induction motor mounted behind the lathe – and far nicer to use.

                          Bernard – one big benefit of hanging the motor off the headstock is that on the rare occasions I need to use riser blocks, there is no problem. Motor & Headstock just sit on the riser block.

                          Edited By Peter Cook 6 on 29/09/2022 12:10:42

                          #615442
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            Posted by Peter Cook 6 on 29/09/2022 12:07:17:

                            Posted by Michael Gilligan on 29/09/2022 11:53:54:

                            ‘though it does seem to make a small lathe considerably bigger.

                            Thanks – but overall, it's still a lot smaller footprint than it was with the original 1/4hp induction motor mounted behind the lathe – and far nicer to use.

                            .

                            Then please permit me to be even more impressed !!

                            MichaelG.

                            #619925
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133

                              Reviving this thread to ask a question:

                              What do our BLDC experts think of this motor: **LINK**

                              https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/24v-4000rpm-0-185nm-77-5w-4-8a-42x42x80mm-brushless-dc-motor-42bls80-24-01

                              ?

                              At first sight it looks ideal for the watchmaker’s lathe and/or for powering a compact ‘overhead’

                              .

                              MichaelG.

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                              Edit: __ Unfortunately, they don’t appear to stock a driver for the BDLC motors … so where is one to source the ideal little box ?

                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/11/2022 12:29:37

                              #619937
                              Huub
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                                @huub

                                I didn't know Stepper Online had these Nema sized BLDC motors. I think this motor could be a candidate for my lathe toolpost drill.
                                A 24V bldc driver for this motor could be BLDC driver

                                My current candidate (bought one already) is this 20V cordless BLDC drill from Lidl. The parts could be used for making a tool post drill.

                                 

                                As a lathe spindle motor, this one has very little torque. But for making small parts, it could be OK.

                                 

                                edit:

                                Stepper Online does have a "suitable" driver and controller: Driver and Controller

                                Edited By Huub on 06/11/2022 12:57:32

                                #619945
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Huub on 06/11/2022 12:51:33:

                                  edit:

                                  Stepper Online does have a "suitable" driver and controller: Driver and Controller

                                   

                                  .

                                  Many thanks for finding those ^^^ … [or apparently that]

                                  I “couldn’t see for looking”

                                  MichaelG.

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                                  Edit: __ was it this Driver that you intended to link ?

                                  https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-brushless-dc-motor-driver-18v-50vdc-max-10a-200w-dbls-01s

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/11/2022 13:35:03

                                  #619951
                                  Peter Cook 6
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                                    @petercook6

                                    The motor looks OK if it is man enough for what you want.

                                    One caution. The first controller Huub links to (AliExpress, it's the one I used) has a 10V DC output for signalling. The motor which Michael links to specifies 5v for the Hall effect sensors, so you would need a 10v to 5v step down to drive the hall sensors.

                                    The Stepper online controller linked to provides 5v for the Hall sensors so would be directly useable.

                                    My motor specifies 5-20v for the hall sensors, so I simply used the 10v output to drive them.

                                    #619974
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                      Thanks, Peter … especially for the warning about Hall voltages

                                      There is also a longer, more powerful, version of the motor available: **LINK**

                                      https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/24v-4000rpm-0-25nm-105w-6-4a-42x42x100mm-brushless-dc-motor-42bls100-24-01

                                      One or t’other should, I think, be adequate for the watchmaker’s lathe

                                      more controllable, and hopefully quieter, than the old sewing-machine type

                                      .

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #619981
                                      Huub
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                                        @huub

                                        The stepper online driver comes with a manual and supports RS485 communication. That is something that could be handy.

                                        I am going to order the Stepper Online driver and the Nema17 BLDC 6.4A 0.25 Nm motor.

                                        They also have a Nema23 motor ( 57BLR90-24-01) that provides 0.6 Nm torque but also requires a 14A driver.

                                        #620120
                                        Huub
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                                          @huub

                                          I am not going to order the BLDC motor and controller now because there is not German stock and I can't estimate the VAT and other cost when shipping from China.

                                           

                                          I have a servo motor ( Lichuan A4 600W as second motor) on my bigger lathe for driving the spindle in position mode (gear cutting, radial drilling, etc).

                                          For driving a lathe spindle you could also use this Servo motor

                                          Edited By Huub on 07/11/2022 19:01:41

                                          Edited By Huub on 07/11/2022 19:02:02

                                          #627852
                                          Huub
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                                            @huub

                                            I have received the 57 mm motor, BLDC driver, controller and tested it using a 24V power supply. To setup the driver you need a USB to RS485 interface. It took me half a day to get things wired and running.

                                            The motor runs quit as expected. I can control the RPM between 400 and 3500 RPM and the RPM is stable under load. Below 400RPM, the motor doesn't start. I reduced the max current to 5A (50%) and still can drill a 6 mm hole in aluminium in one pass.

                                            I am going to use this 57 mm motor to drive my tool post drill and metal router. The PCB router will get the smaller 42 mm motor.
                                            I think this 57 mm motor is capable of driving a micro lathe spindle.

                                            For the routers I will replace the driver by a cheaper version and use a simple pot and switch to control the motor speed.

                                            #627870
                                            Ady1
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                                              @ady1

                                              The Vevor jobs are good value plug and do for that sort of thing

                                              Just make sure the title has "brushless" in it, I noticed a couple of offerings didn't

                                              #627872
                                              Clive Steer
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                                                @clivesteer55943

                                                I have upgraded several watchmakers lathe drives using a 135W 24V BLDC Nanotec motor supplied by Farnell and a ZS-X11D1 BLDC motor controller through an eBay supplier together with a 150W 24V mains power supply from either Farnell or eBay. This is not a plug and play system so several other components are needed together with some form of enclosure arrangement. In my case the lathes were mounted on cast iron bases which could house the various bits.

                                                There may be cheaper suppliers of a motor similar to the Nanotec one but wanted to be certain what I was buying.

                                                The Sewing machine motor kit is good on price and comes plug and play but is just a bit too powerful for a small lightweight lathe but would be good on a Pultra or Schaublin type machine.

                                                CS

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