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22 June 2019 at 12:20 #415552
geoff walker 1
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Hi All,

Last year I made the simple muncaster oscillator, which I enjoyed very much.

This my latest engine the muncaster d/a oscillator.

I seem to have been working on this for ages but with the recent pee awful weather I found myself spending more time in workshop and finally got it running. Only on air and it's a very loose fit, no piston ring, no seals in end caps or stuffing box and with the port face still to be lapped up to the valve block, it's a little "hissy".

Scaled up a little from original so 1/16" = 2mm which makes handling and machining a little easier.

It's been good fun and about 85% there. Would like to oak clad the cylinder and of course paint to finish. Hope it's of interest Geoff
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22 June 2019 at 12:20 #3371
geoff walker 1
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another muncaster
22 June 2019 at 13:27 #415569
JasonB
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That has turned out nicely, look forward to a little video when it's all painted and tarted up.
22 June 2019 at 14:16 #415577
Jim Nic
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That is indeed looking good.

I haven't got a double acting oscillator, neither have I got my next project lined up. This engine could well be my answer to both requirements. May I ask where you got the drawings from?

Jim
22 June 2019 at 15:22 #415584
geoff walker 1
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Hi Jason/Jim

That has turned out nicely, look forward to a little video when it's all painted and tarted up.

I'll do that Jason and thank you.

Jim the drawing is from a book by Henry Muncaster published in 1912, Model Stationary engines.

The book was reviewed by E.T. Westbury in a series of M.E. articles in 1957. I believe those articles are available online. Sorry I don't have a link but they are easy to google and find.

If you do decide to make this model, let me know. I have a spare cast iron cylinder casting which you can have for postage cost. The casting is from my own pattern. I had two cast in case I c**ked up one.

I am also doing a cad drawing which is upscaled so 1/16" = 2mm so the 5/8" bore is 20mm and the 1" stroke is 32mm etc etc.

Regards Geoff
22 June 2019 at 15:40 #415586
Jim Nic
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Thanks for the info Geoff, I'll have a look for the drawing. If I decide to make it I'll drop you a message regarding the cylinder.

Jim
22 June 2019 at 16:34 #415592
JasonB
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Julius de Waal has recently drawn up all of the engines in the Muncaster book in metric and most are larger, all from barstock construction. Should be on MEM.

Could you be tempted by my Muncaster?
22 June 2019 at 17:30 #415599
Neil Wyatt
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Pretty little machine, Geoff.

Neil
22 June 2019 at 22:08 #415644
Jim Nic
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I remember your Muncaster, Jason, but at the time I saw it I already had Stu Hart's Vertical Cross which was similar only with a different crosshead arrangement.

I've ordered the Muncaster book from Amazon so I'll have a better idea of whether the double acting oscillator (oscoscillator?) is a goer or not.

Jim
23 June 2019 at 06:56 #415663
JasonB
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Jim, Julius' drawing is "Muncaster2…………………….. in this post on MEM
23 June 2019 at 09:35 #415682
geoff walker 1
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Goodness me!!

Julius de waal has been very busy, his drawings are excellent.

His drawings show 24mm bore for the d/a oscillator so bigger than mine which is 20mm.

My engine has a cast iron meehanite type cylinder. I have lapped the bore to a fine finish with 1000 grade paste and oil. The piston is gun metal a little under (.050) 20mm diameter, so an easy fit. I was considering using a viton o ring say 17 bore x 1.5 dia section or 16 bore x 2mm section.

I have read that cast iron is not compatible with this type of ring.

I have some teflon coated yarn 1/8" square which could be another option

Any thoughts or opinions anyone

Geoff
23 June 2019 at 10:06 #415688
Circlip
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Twin cylinder version driving paddle wheels in "Model Stationary and Marine Steam Engines"

Regards Ian.
23 June 2019 at 10:11 #415689
JasonB
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I have used Vitron in quite a few cast iron cylinders both on the air/steam engines as well as the larger hit & miss IC engines and they seem to run fine with little drag and plenty of compression.

If you are just going to run it for display then it should also tick over slower with no ring fitted.
23 June 2019 at 12:19 #415712
Jim Nic
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Thanks for the steer Jason. Unfortunately I don't get on with Julius' drawings, I find them cluttered and difficult to interpret.

Jim
23 June 2019 at 13:16 #415723
JasonB
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I know what you mean!

Maybe a mix of the two when you get the book as it does not have full working drawings, mostly just general arrangements with some dimentions though that particular engine does have a bit more detail.
26 June 2019 at 14:23 #416201
Jim Nic
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Well I've now received Muncaster's book "Model Stationary Engines" via Amazon.

As Jason pointed out the book doesn't contain a full drawing set, just the diagrams posted by Geoff at the top of this thread. I am now in a quandary: try and make the engine from the limited information in the book using bar stock, try and make the engine from the limited information in the book but to Geoff's metric conversion factor and using the cast cylinder he has kindly offerred me or try and make the engine at a larger size from Julius de Waal drawings using bar stock.

More coffee and cogitation required I think.

Geoff, I have sent you a PM

Jim
31 July 2019 at 10:50 #421829
geoff walker 1
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Hi All,

Well, it's all finished, painted, lacquered, etc. or as Jason would say "tarted up".

The base is an oak lap jointed frame with a briwax finish.

The baseplate is heavy, 150 x 100 x 10mm M.S. plate sprayed with a hycote primer and then lacquered to finish.

The frame, valve block, bearing blocks etc. are primed then two coats of halfords industrial grey enamel and again lacquered to finish.

The flywheel is hand painted with a humbrol primer and enamel.

Video of it running is on you tube, search Bobbie jones muncaster double acting oscillator. Seems to be running really well, good balance.

Hope it's of interest Geoff

Edited By JasonB on 31/07/2019 16:28:06
31 July 2019 at 11:02 #421832
mechman48
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My version of the vertical cross; similar to Muncaster apart from cross head arrangement, from Stu Harts design…

George.
31 July 2019 at 11:29 #421835
Jim Nic
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A very good looking engine, Geoff. Nicely finished and it runs well too. I am enthused to get my current project finished and set to on the casting for this engine you kindly sent me.

Jim
31 July 2019 at 15:55 #421885
roy entwistle
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I have just googled Rogers revolving steam engine. Looks more than interesting

Roy
31 July 2019 at 16:28 #421895
JasonB
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That turned out nicely Geoff, I've added the video to your post.
31 July 2019 at 16:57 #421900
martin perman 1
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Posted by geoff walker 1 on 31/07/2019 10:50:11:

Hi All,

Well, it's all finished, painted, lacquered, etc. or as Jason would say "tarted up".

The base is an oak lap jointed frame with a briwax finish.

The baseplate is heavy, 150 x 100 x 10mm M.S. plate sprayed with a hycote primer and then lacquered to finish.

The frame, valve block, bearing blocks etc. are primed then two coats of halfords industrial grey enamel and again lacquered to finish.

The flywheel is hand painted with a humbrol primer and enamel.

Video of it running is on you tube, search Bobbie jones muncaster double acting oscillator. Seems to be running really well, good balance.

Hope it's of interest Geoff

Edited By JasonB on 31/07/2019 16:28:06

Geoff,

I thought you might like to see this, its a twin cylinder full size version of your engine which came from a paddle steamer, if its not done already its hoped to get it running in the near future, it can be found at the Internal Fire Museum Tan y Groes, **LINK**

Martin P

Edited By martin perman on 31/07/2019 16:58:56
31 July 2019 at 16:58 #421901
Ron Laden
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Geoff, that looks very nice indeed and runs nicely too, well done you

The first little engine I like the look of as a starter is from Julius de Waal drawings which I found free online, its described as a Single Cylinder Oscillating Engine, I dont know if that is a Muncaster, its all new to me.

Ron

Edited By Ron Laden on 31/07/2019 17:13:28
31 July 2019 at 17:29 #421909
mechman48
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Nicely done Geoff; runs sweet.

George.
31 July 2019 at 19:08 #421930
geoff walker 1
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Hi All,

Thank you gents for your kind comments and J for the video upload.

Martin, diolch. I've passed through Tan y groes many times on the way to Saundersfoot although not for many years. Will be in porthmadog next month but sadly Tan y groes a little to far south for a visit.

Ron, the J de W drawing to which you refer is indeed a muncaster engine. J de W's Drawing is 2x full size. I redrew the engine with full size dimensions and made it last year. If you would like a pdf copy of the drawing let me know via a p.m. Here is a photo of the completed engine

Atb Geoff
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