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  • #33552
    KenJ
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      #458821
      KenJ
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        @kenj

        Re: M-DRO Magnetic Tape / Linear Encoder

        I'm now at the stage of wanting to install a DRO on my Sieg SX2.7 Mill and now looking for advice / information.

        Whilst I appreciate that the “Mini Head Tape” style is smaller than the Linear Encoder, is there any other benefits or otherwise? There is very little difference in the cost.

        Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

        Many Thanks

        Ken

        #458823
        ChrisB
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          @chrisb35596

          I would go for the magnetic type. The tape is easy to install and if you compare the magnetic to an optical systems, the magnetic is more compact. So for a small machine where the installation of a DRO would be a headache, a magnetic DRO will be easier.

          I have built my own magnetic DROs on both mill and lathe, I fitted a readhead inside the lathe crosslide – try to do that with an optical type!

          #458826
          KenJ
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            @kenj

            Thanks for the quick response.

            What i really meant was the difference between the two Magnetic types i.e. the Mini Head encoder with Tape or the M-DRO EH-05 linear magnetic encoder.

            Cheers

            #458838
            ChrisB
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              @chrisb35596

              The read head on the EH-05 is larger, and the magnetic tape comes on an aluminium profile – which could be a positive but also a negative thing.

              I prefer the tape without a profile so I can install it directly to the table etc. Others may prefer the profile so you can stand it off ( like most DRO installations)

              The M-DRO EHM Series Mini Head does not come with the relative bracketry etc to install the read head over the tape, and that could be a bit fiddly. The EH-05 comes with the tape mounted on a profile and the read head slides in the profile itself, so installing on to the mill or lathe will be easier, but you will probably need more space.

              #458839
              Martin Shaw 1
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                @martinshaw1

                Hi Ken

                I installed an M-DRO magnetic DRO on my SX2.7 last year, if your interested I can put up some pics.

                Regards

                Martin

                #458853
                KenJ
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                  @kenj

                  ChrisB,

                  Thanks again. I also like the idea of the tape and produce brackets etc to suit.

                  Martin,

                  Yes, pics are always good for ideas.

                  Cheers

                  #458854
                  ChrisB
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                    @chrisb35596

                    If you look at this thread: **LINK** last couple of pages you can see how I installed the magnetic tape and read heads, you can also mount the tape on a profile like Jed Martins did. The read heads are diy, but the principle is still the same.

                    I did not want to drill any holes into my machines, so all brackets are bonded with adhesive. Holding out well so far.

                    #459157
                    Martin Shaw 1
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                      @martinshaw1

                      Ken

                      Herewith some pics of my installation

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                      For some reason this is 90deg out so mentally rotate it clockwise, it is the Z axis which in truth isn't too much use on a SX2.7 I find. The other thing is that because M-DRO sell this as a universal package the supplied brackets are all far too big so I had to homebrew mountings and you do end up with a length of magnetic track surplus however I had a good deal from them so the cost of individual parts was still greater than I paid.

                      Found another better pic of the X and Y arrangement. Any questions please ask.

                      Regards

                      Martin

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                      #459660
                      KenJ
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                        @kenj

                        Many thanks to you both for the information.

                        I have placed my order with M-DRO for the Easson 3 Axes Display and compact magnetic heads.

                        Kind Regards

                        #459674
                        Bryan Cedar 1
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                          Posted by KenJ on 22/03/2020 10:24:51:

                          Re: M-DRO Magnetic Tape / Linear Encoder

                          I'm now at the stage of wanting to install a DRO on my Sieg SX2.7 Mill and now looking for advice / information.

                          Whilst I appreciate that the “Mini Head Tape” style is smaller than the Linear Encoder, is there any other benefits or otherwise? There is very little difference in the cost.

                          Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

                          Many Thanks

                          Ken

                          I installed the mini heads on my Sieg 3.5 DZP mill which had a basic DRO system. I changed to the M DRO magnetic system and found although it works well the tape is magnetic enough to attract steel swarf which can become trapped in the gap between the tape and the head. Really needs a shield over the tape to avoid this happening.

                          #459680
                          KenJ
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                            Bryan,

                            ‘Thanks for the information. Yes, Its my intention to use aluminium “U” channel with the opening facing down and head up inside.

                            Many thanks

                            #459683
                            Paul Lousick
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                              An idea for a protective cover over the scales

                              I have glass scales on my mill and made protective covers to protect them from swarf and coolant. To do so meant that the moounting bracket for the moving pickup had to be on the underside of the cover. See photo below.

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                              #459937
                              KenJ
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                                @kenj

                                Many thanks to all.

                                #460165
                                Jon
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                                  @jon

                                  Thats the newer type Martin they are a lot taller and a lot thicker than the originals from 2009 when first came out.

                                  Had to replace a read head last year that packed up, so went 1 micron this time, since then no more repeat errors.

                                  Read head straight swap for old, covering not needed its sealed with o ring strip.

                                  Older early type that first came out in 2009, only 7mm thick and shallower in height.

                                  #467402
                                  Mike Donnerstag
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                                    KenJ: I've just uploaded photos of my installation – I bought the Easson 3-Axis with Magnetic scales from Machine-DRO and installed this on my Sieg SX3 last week.

                                    Please see the posting headed 'Sieg SX3 and Machine-DRO 3-Axis Kit' for more information. I hope there's something there that helps. For interest, I installed the Z-axis scale and reader inside the column.

                                    Cheers,

                                    Mike

                                    #467431
                                    KenJ
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                                      @kenj

                                      Mike,

                                      Thanks for the information. All looks very neat!

                                      I bought the Easson 3-Axis also from M-DRO with the micro tape and made my own brackets out of Aluminium angle and stuck the tape to that. As yet, I only have fitted X&Y. Very pleased with the result.

                                      Ken

                                      #467484
                                      Mike Donnerstag
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                                        Ken,

                                        I wondered whether you came across several things about the DRO that I was disappointed about:

                                        1) The 'Universal' brackets are generally too large for a home milling machine, and custom brackets therefore have to be made.

                                        2) The manual has a very poor translation to English and is inconsistent in its terminology. The radius functions really illustrate how poor this is. I would have excused the large title of 'Basic Fucntions' on page 1 if the technical content was well written.

                                        3) The two radius functions on the display are transposed. When you press the 'Simplified R' button (large R), it actually gives you the more complex (small R with a graphical symbol) radius function, and vice versa!

                                        4) Wouldn't it be easier for an arc function to need to specify the centre coordinate, radius and start and end angles, rather than the centre coordinate, radius and start and end coordinates?

                                        5) The manual gives no information on the limitations of the radius functions, for example I am trying to find out whether I can cut a wide arc in the XZ direction, as in the illustration below. For a DRO with a graphical screen, I am sure the radius function could be made far more intuitive to use with better software and a well-written manual.

                                        example arc

                                        6) The right-most function on the display MR (memory recall) does not seem to have any effect when pressed, and is not explained in the manual.

                                        If anyone from Machine_DRO is a member of ME, I'd be interested in their comments, including whether there is a software update available to solve any of these problems.

                                        Mike

                                        Edited By Mike Donnerstag on 27/04/2020 21:02:16

                                        #467823
                                        KenJ
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                                          @kenj

                                          Mike,

                                          I have the ES-8A Readout, so slightly different from your one. I also installed the compact heads with tape.

                                          1) The Brackets were far too large for my SX2.7, hence why I manufactured my own, which I believe is pretty common.

                                          2) The manual for the ES-8A is not too bad. I have used the basic functions including PCD, Lhole and SDM, but must admit that I have NOT used the Arc function as yet, so cannot comment on that at the moment.

                                          Good luck with deciphering the manual.

                                          Ken

                                          #471897
                                          Roger Benson
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                                            Posted by KenJ on 25/03/2020 20:30:04:

                                            Many thanks to you both for the information.

                                            I have placed my order with M-DRO for the Easson 3 Axes Display and compact magnetic heads.

                                            Kind Regards

                                            Can you post some pics and details which heads and tape you bought. I want a similar system on my SX2.7 but finding that there are so many different type to choose from.

                                            #471899
                                            Mike Donnerstag
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                                              @mikedonnerstag

                                              I bought the Universal 3-axis kit with magnetic encoders. I went for the ES-12B graphical LCD display:

                                              **LINK**

                                              #471901
                                              Henry Brown
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                                                @henrybrown95529

                                                I was very disappointed with a recent quote from M-DRO for my lathe after they supplied a 2-axis set for my mill. A staggering increase from £353 this time last year to £418 for the same thing with shorter magnetic scales.

                                                #471904
                                                Circlip
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                                                  @circlip

                                                  Yes the Chinese slaves are revolting for higher wages. Glad my Dials an Mics can't read words.

                                                  Regards Ian

                                                  #471908
                                                  Henry Brown
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                                                    Posted by Circlip on 15/05/2020 12:15:38:

                                                    Yes the Chinese slaves are revolting for higher wages. Glad my Dials an Mics can't read words.

                                                    Regards Ian

                                                    LOL, I think its the M-DRO pricing Ian, I just checked and the mill order was placed in October not April. In fact I asked them at the Warwick show what their best price was which was £30 more than the quote they had given me!

                                                    #472284
                                                    KenJ
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                                                      +t1q7th6s4egcw32zoz2ig.jpgootaldcfqqiu2w32dehyma.jpg%3xvbpp+stuxydzestwwpa.jpgm-dro.jpgPosted by Roger Benson on 15/05/2020 11:58:32:

                                                      Posted by KenJ on 25/03/2020 20:30:04:

                                                      Many thanks to you both for the information.

                                                      I have placed my order with M-DRO for the Easson 3 Axes Display and compact magnetic heads.

                                                      Kind Regards

                                                      Can you post some pics and details which heads and tape you bought. I want a similar system on my SX2.7 but finding that there are so many different type to choose from.

                                                      Roger,

                                                      I hope the attached details and pics are of assistance.

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