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    bricky
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      @bricky

      I have nearly finished the body of a small carburetor.I was drilling and tapping a 8BA hole when the tap broke.I can't make a core cutter to cut round the tap as there isn't room.I recall reading of alum to remove broken taps but can't remember how it is used.I have a small tub of alum crystals,could someone enlighten me please as how to proceed.

      Frank

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      bricky
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        @bricky
        #386374
        Vic
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          @vic

          I think it depends on the type of tap. I think Alum works with carbon steel taps but I’m not sure if it works with HSS. You may need to get some Nitric Acid instead?

          #386375
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            Assuming the carb body is aluminium, dissolve a heaped spoon of alum in a glass of warm water, leave the part in it for a few days, every day poking the remains of the tap with a needle until it falls out.

            Neil

            #386377
            bricky
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              @bricky

              The body of the carb is brass ,will this be a problem.

              Frank

              #386379
              vintage engineer
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                @vintageengineer

                What material is carb?

                #386380
                Fowlers Fury
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                  @fowlersfury

                  Don't use alum if the carb is aluminum, if it's brass (or a bronze) then try it.
                  You may find it of interest to read this article if the carb is aluminium: "How to dissolve steel without affecting aluminium alloy" :-
                  **LINK**

                  8BA is a bit small but I've had success with a diamond bur in a hi-speed mini drill. Ask your dentist for a used narrow, cone type; it will rapidly remove the bulk of the tap even if HSS. The remains can be picked out then with a needle. However with an 8BA tap you'll need a steady hand & good eyesight !

                  #386389
                  Anonymous

                    Posted by Fowlers Fury on 18/12/2018 23:03:51:

                    Don't use alum if the carb is aluminum, if it's brass (or a bronze) then try it.
                    You may find it of interest to read this article if the carb is aluminium: "How to dissolve steel without affecting aluminium alloy" :-
                    **LINK**

                    I've used alum in aluminium alloy bike bits for broken taps in the past with no problem. I can't see where in your link it says don't, in fact alum is recommended by a couple of posters.

                    Edited By Mick Berrisford on 19/12/2018 00:09:35

                    #386394
                    bricky
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                      @bricky

                      Thanks to all for your input.I am proceeding as Ian suggested.

                      Frank

                      #386406
                      RichardS
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                        @richards31161

                        1. Yes it works on HSS
                        2. Keep it warm (think coffee cup heater)
                        3. Replenish with water each day to make up for evaporation
                        4. Have the opening at the top
                        5. At 8BA you will need to initially encourage circulation in the hole (syringe?)
                        6. Clear debris from hole daily
                        7. Use a glass jar so you can see the bubble stream.

                        You should get a fine stream of bubbles rising from the hole (might be very fine or intermittant at 8BA). When that slows clear the debris. If clearing the debris does not result in a stream of bubbles after a couple of hours then replace the solution. If replacing the solution does not result in a stream of bubbles then it is probably done.

                        #389834
                        bricky
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                          @bricky

                          My first attempt was with some alum that I had in stock,nothing was happening but my son pointed out that it was 20 years out of date.I sourced some of amazon and within a week the tao has gone .I did as Niel suggested and piggled about with a needle and today to my delight and suprise a full depth 8 BA tap is gone.I have recharged the cup to make sure the threads are clear.I thank everyone for their help in this matter.

                          Frank

                          #389835
                          SillyOldDuffer
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                            @sillyoldduffer
                            Posted by bricky on 07/01/2019 12:13:38:

                            My first attempt was with some alum that I had in stock,nothing was happening but my son pointed out that it was 20 years out of date.

                            Or perhaps caught out by the name 'Alum' being used for at least six different chemicals, only one of which is suitable. You want Potassium Aluminium Sulphate, also called Potash Alum or Potassium Alum.

                            Of the true Alums, Sodium Alum might work as a substitute tap remover, but maybe not Chrome Alum or Ammonium Alum.

                            Some chemicals called 'Alum' aren't Alum at all: Aluminium Hydroxide and Aluminium Sulphate. These are useless for removing taps.

                            The confusing nomenclature is historical. Once a common name has caught on in a trade it's difficult to change it.

                            Dave

                            #389838
                            Chris Trice
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                              @christrice43267

                              I'm glad you posted that. I bought some "alum" online specifically to try it out and over a period of several weeks, absolutely nothing happened to the metal. Obviously not the alum I wanted.

                              #389839
                              Chris Trice
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                                @christrice43267

                                If anyone knows of a source for the right stuff, I'd be much obliged.

                                #389841
                                paul rushmer
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                                  @paulrushmer83015

                                  Try eBay I bought some from a chemical company (south Essex I believe ) last year to remove a 10 BA from Dads new copper boiler. It worked well but took a week.

                                  Paul

                                  #389843
                                  paul rushmer
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                                    @paulrushmer83015

                                    Just looked at my eBay history, Minerals-water Ltd 800g £12 inc postage.

                                    Hope this helps Paul

                                    #389846
                                    RichardS
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                                      @richards31161

                                      A rummage in my bookmarks leads here:

                                      https://www.trustleaf.co.uk/aluminium-sulphate—iron-free-503-p.asp

                                      Aluminium Sulphate 17% AL2O3 Iron Free

                                      Tge concentration I used: 2 table spoons (30 ml) in a 720gm Branston Pickle jar (‘cos it’s “pickling”).

                                      Remember to keep it warm.

                                      #389884
                                      Chris Trice
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                                        @christrice43267
                                        Posted by paul rushmer on 07/01/2019 13:51:49:

                                        Just looked at my eBay history, Minerals-water Ltd 800g £12 inc postage.

                                        Hope this helps Paul

                                        Thank you very much Paul. thumbs up

                                        #389972
                                        Chris Trice
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                                          @christrice43267
                                          #389988
                                          Rik Shaw
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                                            @rikshaw

                                            You can buy alum rock chrystal from lots of outlets. I have used it on my pits for years now after developing an allergy to deodrants. I expect someone will tell me its the wrong sort of alum though. sad

                                            Rik

                                            #390005
                                            Neil Wyatt
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                                              @neilwyatt
                                              Posted by Rik Shaw on 08/01/2019 13:13:32:

                                              You can buy alum rock chrystal from lots of outlets. I have used it on my pits for years now after developing an allergy to deodrants. I expect someone will tell me its the wrong sort of alum though. sad

                                              They work well though!

                                              Alum is dirt cheap from Arabian food suppliers.

                                              Neil

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