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    Iain Crosbie
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      I have just bought my first model engine kit, a Stuart D10 casting kit with optional reversing gear. I have read the Stuart book (Smith/Pengwern), looked at various YouTube videos of other people building these engines and have just read Harold Hall's article referenced elsewhere in this forum.

      As I am new to model engineering I hope I will be forgiven for asking what might seem to be a very basic question, but I cannot find an answer to this in any of the books or videos referred to and I'd like to get it clear in my head before I start this project.

      What puzzles me is this: it seems to me that for the engine to run efficiently one of the most vital factors would be the fit of the sliding valve shuttle against the cylinder port face. I assume that the brass shuttle would need to be kept in close contact with the cylinder to produce a 'steam-tight' seal as it moved to and fro otherwise the steam would take the line of least resistance and just escape to atmosphere through the exhaust, and since there is nothing to hold it in contact this can only be achieved by very close tolerances of the various parts, so that the height of the shuttle and nut is a close sliding fit in the available space (thickness of the valve chest, two gaskets and the cover) with the added complication of it being located by its operating rod. Despite this apparent need for high accuracy I cannot find any mention of this anywhere.

      I am not intending to run the engine on anything other than compressed air, but want to make the best job that I can of it, so over to you experts: Am I worrying about nothing or have I missed some vital information somewhere?

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      Iain Crosbie
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        #278479
        John Purdy
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          @johnpurdy78347

          Iain

          The valve nut should be an easy but slop free fit in the slot at the back of the valve and the valve should be able to move off the port face by a small amount. It is then the steam (or air) pressure in the valve chest that forces the valve into close contact with the valve face to effect the seal. This is due to the difference in in pressure between that in the steam chest and atmospheric pressure in the exhaust port. Hope this makes sense.

          John

          #278485
          Iain Crosbie
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            @iaincrosbie35610

            Thanks John, yes that does make sense now. Let's hope I can build the thing without too many blunders!

            #278486
            Neil Wyatt
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              @neilwyatt

              As John says, steam pressure holds the valve against the face. Even on a Stuart 10 the pressure on the valve under steam could be several pounds.

              With large valves this pressure is so large it causes significant friction and is one of the main causes of inefficiency , which is why other types of valve, like piston valves were developed..

              #278495
              Brian Oldford
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                Posted by Neil Wyatt on 17/01/2017 20:14:56:

                As John says, steam pressure holds the valve against the face. Even on a Stuart 10 the pressure on the valve under steam could be several pounds.

                With large valves this pressure is so large it causes significant friction and is one of the main causes of inefficiency , which is why other types of valve, like piston valves were developed..

                When you consider the boiler pressure and the valve area you'll not be surprised to realise that the pressure on each slide valve of a full size GWR 57XX 0-6-0 pannier tank (Pansy to the uninitiated) exceeds at ton.

                Edited By Brian Oldford on 17/01/2017 20:47:33

                #278505
                John Purdy
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                  @johnpurdy78347

                  As Neil and Brian say it was this high force on the valve, which caused high friction losses and high forces on all the valve gear mechanism that lead to the adoption of piston (and in a few cases poppet valve) systems. But before these were widely used steps were taken to reduce the forces by using what were known as "balanced valves" where the upper surface of the slide valve was sealed against the valve chest cover with a sliding seal which was vented to atmosphere. This considerably reduced the area of the valve exposed to valve chest pressure, reducing the force exerted against the valve face.

                  #278507
                  duncan webster 1
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                    And if anyone has a good design which I can fit to my Emma Victoria, speak now or forever……….

                    #278511
                    julian atkins
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                      @julianatkins58923

                      Hi Duncan,

                      Who on earth are you making an Emma Victoria?

                      There have been lots of very good balanced slide valves designs. See Don Young's Hunslet and his George design.

                      Cheers,

                      Julian

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