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  • #183373
    Michael Checkley
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      @michaelcheckley34085

      I`m working my way through a Stuart 7A build and enjoying the challenges! smiley.

      I`m not quite ready for the reversing gear yet but noticed the castings and plan was available on the Stuart models site so I ordered them and within a couple of days they were on the bench in the workshop. They are both straight but looking at the plan one should be 'cranked' I asked Stuart if I had ordered the wrong one but they said I would have to bend it after machining, surely it would just crack? Any recommendations on the best way to tackle this would be much appreciate.

      Thanks in advance

      Mike

       

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      Edited By Michael Checkley on 15/03/2015 21:32:09

      Edited By Michael Checkley on 15/03/2015 21:32:54

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      #3248
      Michael Checkley
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        @michaelcheckley34085

        Machining Stuart 7A

        #183384
        John Olsen
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          @johnolsen79199

          I too would be a bit dubious about trying to bend one of those. I don't know if it is a casting or a stamping, but either way it does not seem likely to be the sort of material that would bend nicely without suddenly breaking. Also ideally the centre to centre distance of the two eccentric rods should be the same…how do you ensure this if you bend after machining?

          I made a set of rods for a double ten where both had the fork offset by the same amount, so that the expansion link ends up aligned with the inside edge of the two eccentrics. This made a tidy job, but those rods were fabricated, eg separate strap, rod, and fork ends. However, given that you already have the two one piece rods, the same sort of thing could be done by machining a flat on the existing fork end and silver soldering an extra piece on one side. The equivalent amount could then be machined off the other side and the fork machined with the correct offset.

          John

          #183385
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            Michael,

            I am not familiar with the items, but I did find the Parts List, which lists qty. 2 the same, in Gunmetal.

            It looks a rather perilous bending job! … I wish you well.

            MichaelG.

            #183388
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Gun metal is quite soft and will bend that far without a problem. Worse that can happen is the rod will snap which will give you teh oppertunity to make a more prototypical steel one to fit to the strap.

              I would machine the straps, bend and then do the forked end to make sure you get teh hole and slot in exactly the same place.

              #183429
              Michael Checkley
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                @michaelcheckley34085

                Thanks for the replies! I guess it can only go one of two ways smiley.

                Hi John, The change in center distance once bent is a good point! I will have a go at bending it and then machine final details in last as Jason Suggests. Would you suggest applying some heat to the area being bent?

                I think next time I will work from solid as cleaning up some of these castings is more work than working from scratch. Although I may just get that opportunity! frown

                #183437
                Gordon W
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                  @gordonw

                  You must bend before machining, unless you could work out the bend allowance to very close limits. Just think if you do all that machining and then break it !

                  #183463
                  Mick Yaxley
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                    @mickyaxley20393

                    Hi Michael,

                    I had the same worries myself so decided to make mine from stock. This also gives you the option of adjusting the hole centres to compensate for errors in the rest of the valve train and thereby getting smoother running in both directions.20150316_193850.jpg

                    I also made a polycarb valve chest cover to help with timing it all up.

                    After reading your post I've just nipped out to the workshop and belted the original strap about just to see whether it could be done without annealing and this is the result.

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                    Its not quite right, but it proves it can be done with a bit of confidence and a piece of ali or plastic as a punch.

                    I like the adjustable option myself.

                    Yours is looking great so far, lovely job!

                    All the best,

                    Mick

                    #183464
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Thanks Mick, good to have it confirmed that tehy will bend, I like to use an old F shaped adjustable spanner to bend things like this.

                      Another option to the round rods is to make them from flat, but you won't get the adjustment of a threaded one, something like this

                      #183469
                      Michael Checkley
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                        @michaelcheckley34085

                        Hi Mick,

                        Thankyou for carrying out the test, it proves they will bend!

                        Having seen your adjustable rods I think I prefer how they look over the bent casting and the adjustability is a bonus!

                        #183471
                        Mick Yaxley
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                          @mickyaxley20393

                          Hi Michael,

                          Just remembered; item 4 of the reversing gear obscures one of the 7ba tapped holes that should retain the cladding. I didn't spot this and have had to re-drill. Not a big deal but worth pointing out.

                          Cheers,

                          Mick

                          #183522
                          JA
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                            @ja

                            Michael

                            I finished a 7A fitted with reversing gear a couple of your ago. I had started it over 40 years ago, got so far and then put it with the drawings in a nice dry box until a friend got me to finish it.

                            When I recommenced making it I had not started on the reversing gear and like you I looked at the eccentrics with trepidation. However their manufacture, including bending, was quite easy. My build diary does not highlight a real difficulties but does note a lot trial assemblies. I do remember removing a lot of material from the two castings, more than I had expected.

                            However I did have problems with the suspension rods and levers particularly with the bosses. Eventually these were filed to shape with the help of filing buttons (they did not like being milled to shape). I can only describe the result as adequate. Also I found that the slotted link fouled the connecting lever at some positions. This was cured by simply radiusing the corner of the slotted link.

                            JA

                            #183526
                            John Olsen
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                              @johnolsen79199

                              I'm glad I didn't respond immediately to your question about whether or not heat would be required since someone has kindly experimented for you. Not knowing the precise material, it would be a concern that some yellow metals can go hot short, eg break easily when heated.

                              I was trying to remember how my Number 1 was done..it is in storage at the moment while I prepare to move so I couldn't just look at it. JasonB's picture jogged my memory, it is like that except the fork on mine is the other way around. By doing that with the correct offset the two eccentrics are close to each other and the expansion link is lined up with the gap between them.

                              The double 10 valve gear came with the screwed rods one being bent with the offset and the other straight. I must admit I did not much like the idea, too many threads to come loose, so made my own, which as was commented earlier means you can make them out of more authentic steel, The connecting rods for that engine are also steel as are the expansion links so I had quite a few Stuart parts left over. Still…my triple only came with the bedplate, (not directly from Stuarts) so all the other parts have been made from scratch.

                              John

                              #189675
                              Michael Checkley
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                                @michaelcheckley34085

                                Some progress on the 7A and it is starting to take shape. I still need to pin the crank shaft before I can machine the bar out from between the webs but once that is done its time to have a go at the eccentrics and conrod.

                                I have made the cylinder end plates slightly larger on diameter as the plan is to use 1mm thick strip wood lagging around the cylinder.

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                                #189706
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  Looks like you are making good progress.

                                   

                                  J

                                  Edited By JasonB on 13/05/2015 07:22:16

                                  #206253
                                  Michael Checkley
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                                    @michaelcheckley34085

                                    First run last night running on the compressor, one flick and she was away. I was so pleased, it was running for most of the evening and is now probably worn out! laugh.

                                    I didn't touch any of the adjustments for the slide valve, just set it as per the drawing and let it loose. The compressor was set to about 25psi.

                                    Video….

                                     

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                                    Edited By JasonB on 01/10/2015 10:05:21

                                    #206258
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      Nice

                                      #206264
                                      Mick Yaxley
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                                        @mickyaxley20393

                                        Lovely job Michael, very impressed!

                                        Don't be afraid to drown it in oil at this stage though would be my only suggestion.

                                        How's the reversing gear coming on dare I ask?

                                        Well done!

                                        Mick

                                        #206281
                                        Neil Wyatt
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                                          @neilwyatt

                                          Indeed. I always prefer to see then running slow.

                                          Neil

                                          #206282
                                          Michael Checkley
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                                            @michaelcheckley34085

                                            Hi Mick, Yes I agree it needs a good going over with the oil can before it runs again. Once running I couldn't bring myself to stop it! I wonder how well the idea of running an airline in to the living room would be accepted at home?…The castings for the reversing gear are still in the box. I thought I would get the engine running on the standard parts and get a fresh injection of enthusiasm before tacking some more castings.

                                            Still to do is some paint and wood lagging so just a little too late for the Midlands show but perfect timing for considering the next project!

                                            The mechanism is shown off much better when running slowly but it will certainly go when the valve is opened up!

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