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  • #32358
    Michael Gilligan
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      #661885
      Michael Gilligan
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        #661896
        JA
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          @ja

          It could almost compete with my twelve year old lap top.

          JA

          #661934
          Dave S
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            @daves59043

            Its more like a 5 year old laptop really…

            Totally usable as a 'normal' computer.

            img_4489.jpeg

            Also not many old laptops can do 2 screens at 4k/60, have 2 cameras and GPIO.

            img_4490.jpeg

            I think this one is going to end up as the CNC controller for my CNC build.

            Dave

            #661936
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              How did you get one before the release-date, Dave ?

              Back-end of October was what I read sad

              MichaelG.

              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/09/2023 18:02:44

              #661937
              Dave S
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                @daves59043

                I'm Head of Engineering at a Raspberry Pi Design Partner.

                One of the harder parts of the job is knowing the stuff which is coming and not telling anyone…

                Dave

                #661940
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  laughyes

                  So presumably you’ve thoroughly tested it and I’m safe pre-ordering one

                  MichaelG.

                  #661944
                  Dave S
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                    @daves59043

                    Its the best Pi yet.

                    Would recommend getting the cooler or the dedicated case with fan in it – the CPU runs quite a bit hotter than the 4 – not dangerously so, but hot enough that I'll be adding a cooler once I get round to it.

                    It can also peak a lot of current from the PSU, so whilst the 3A supply for a Pi4 is fine (that's what I'm currently using) if you don't have a lot of things hanging off the USB etc the new supply is designed to support maximum performance. I will be buying (with my own money) one of those when they become available.

                    Seeing it run with a pair of cameras and 2 4k screens was impressive – I can see it being the basis for a Projector + cameras shape measurement system at 'fairly' low cost. (I used to do precision high speed large volume optical metrology at a previous job).

                    The PCIe connector is going to open up some interesting possibilities…

                    Interestingly the feature the Pi team seemed most pleased with was the power button…

                    Dave

                    #661946
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      Thanks, Dave … much appreciated

                      MichaelG.

                      #661997
                      John McNamara
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                        @johnmcnamara74883

                        Gee Dave
                        You Mentioned, "(I used to do precision high speed large volume optical metrology at a previous job)".

                        Are you able to say how?

                        Regards
                        J

                        #662004
                        Russell Eberhardt
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                          Posted by Dave S on 28/09/2023 17:50:22:

                          I think this one is going to end up as the CNC controller for my CNC build.

                          Dave

                          Looks like a good candidate to replace the Dell computer I bought second hand 10 years ago for my CNC build. Can the raspberry Pi version of Linux CNC emulate a parallel printer port for my driver electronics?

                          Russell

                          #662018
                          Mark Rand
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                            Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 29/09/2023 10:32:59:

                            Looks like a good candidate to replace the Dell computer I bought second hand 10 years ago for my CNC build. Can the raspberry Pi version of Linux CNC emulate a parallel printer port for my driver electronics?

                            Russell

                            Should be a fairly simple bit of coding. The Centronics interface is/was pretty simple minded. Enough so that I emulated it woth oneof our HP computers in the early '90s in order to drive a printer that had been bought in mistake by the department.

                            #662020
                            Benedict White
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                              Posted by Dave S on 28/09/2023 18:04:36:

                              I'm Head of Engineering at a Raspberry Pi Design Partner.

                              One of the harder parts of the job is knowing the stuff which is coming and not telling anyone…

                              Dave

                              Cheat!

                              #662022
                              Dave S
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                                @daves59043

                                John,

                                This should link the the sales pdf: Wayback Machine (archive.org)

                                Basically project a load of straight lines, take a photo form the side, do some maths to decode the bendyness the camera sees.

                                A quick google shows there are several parallel port HATs available for a Pi – thats probably the route I would take if I needed to.

                                Dave

                                #662025
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  Posted by Dave S on 29/09/2023 12:11:32:

                                  John,

                                  This should link the the sales pdf: Wayback Machine (archive.org)

                                  […]

                                  .

                                  Am I being dim, Dave ?

                                  … your link only gives me the glossy front-cover sad

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #662041
                                  Dave S
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                                    @daves59043

                                    Should be a 7 or 8 page brochure. The company was Phase Vision, so you could always search phasevision.com on the wayback machine.

                                    Sadly ran out of money, as with a lot of startup / spinouts.

                                    Dave

                                    #662048
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      #662052
                                      Michael Gilligan
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                                        @michaelgilligan61133
                                        #662060
                                        Russell Eberhardt
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                                          @russelleberhardt48058
                                          Posted by Dave S on 29/09/2023 12:11:32:

                                          A quick google shows there are several parallel port HATs available for a Pi – thats probably the route I would take if I needed to.

                                          Dave

                                          Thanks, one of those should do the trick.

                                          Russell

                                          #662071
                                          Bazyle
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                                            Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 29/09/2023 16:51:14:

                                            Posted by Dave S on 29/09/2023 12:11:32:

                                            A quick google shows there are several parallel port HATs available for a Pi – thats probably the route I would take if I needed to.

                                            Dave

                                            Thanks, one of those should do the trick.

                                            Russell

                                            I thought the big problem for LinuxCNC using the printer port was the multitasking of the processor, particularly video generation, screwing up the timing for direct drive of steppers. It should be possible to avoid this by leaving one of the cores for the user to use unmolested, but is that the case?

                                            #662167
                                            Russell Eberhardt
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                                              Posted by Bazyle on 29/09/2023 18:05:50:

                                              I thought the big problem for LinuxCNC using the printer port was the multitasking of the processor, particularly video generation, screwing up the timing for direct drive of steppers. It should be possible to avoid this by leaving one of the cores for the user to use unmolested, but is that the case?

                                              Well, my current cnc system runs LinuxCNC on a single core 3.2 GHz processor. Yes. the parallel printer port does cause some timing issues but I found the reduced step rate needed to prevent lost steps was still fast enough for me. I would imagine the four cores at 2.4 GHz of the Pi 5 should beat my old computer.

                                              Russell

                                              #662183
                                              sam sokolik
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                                                @samsokolik60334

                                                well – for linuxcnc it depends on the realtime latency of the system. I have been running the PI4 with linuxcnc for a long time – but using a mesa ethernet card to do the heavy lifting. (step generation and such)

                                                The maximum jitter I get is around 50us or so. This is perfectly fine for external interfaces like mesa.

                                                Linuxcnc does have a gpio driver for the pi – but again you are limited to how fast the realtime kernel can twittle bits. I I goofed around with it a while back – and was getting about 10khz step rates. Not stellar…

                                                #662412
                                                Russell Eberhardt
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                                                  @russelleberhardt48058
                                                  Posted by sam sokolik on 30/09/2023 16:10:51:

                                                  well – for linuxcnc it depends on the realtime latency of the system. I have been running the PI4 with linuxcnc for a long time – but using a mesa ethernet card to do the heavy lifting. (step generation and such)

                                                  The maximum jitter I get is around 50us or so. This is perfectly fine for external interfaces like mesa.

                                                  Linuxcnc does have a gpio driver for the pi – but again you are limited to how fast the realtime kernel can twittle bits. I I goofed around with it a while back – and was getting about 10khz step rates. Not stellar…

                                                  My ancient system is giving a maximum jitter of 25uS and I am happy with the maximum step rate. I have no need for particularly fast movements.

                                                  Might the GPU of the Pi 5 take load off the processors and improve the latency over the model 4?

                                                  Russell

                                                  Russell

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