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  • This topic has 29 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 5 May 2023 at 12:33 by Nigel Graham 2.
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    Greensands
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      I have just acquired this 6v/12v battery charger from ALDI which is being sold as a fully automatic micro processor controlled charger suitable for use with conventional car and motor cycle batteries and also incorporates a trickle charger function. Does anyone know if this might find alternative uses as a bench power supply? Maximum current is given as 5A but is said to be NOT suitable for recharging lithium batteries. One is always a little wary these days in using electronic gear outside of their design envelop but I would be interested to hear other people’s opinions.

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      Greensands
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        #643790
        Greensands
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          @greensands

          #643792
          Werner Schleidt
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            @wernerschleidt45161

            Hi this charger is only able to charge a battery. Without a battery there is no power support.

            it depends how much current you need there are some better alternatives like an old laptop power supply up to 3 Amps. if you need more you can use a car battery and this charger . But keep in mind if you draw current from the battery you have to start the charging manually.

            Werner

            Edited By Werner Schleidt on 03/05/2023 16:51:20

            #643793
            Fulmen
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              @fulmen

              Not on it's own. These chargers tends to check if a battery is present before they deliver any power, and they will also regulate the current depending on the battery voltage.

              #643795
              Nigel Graham 2
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                @nigelgraham2

                It might have only rudimentary smoothing, so not delivering very straight volts, either.

                If you need power something electrically delicate, even just an old transistor radio, use a proper PSU designed for electronics, not hefty great vehicle batteries.

                #643796
                Robert Atkinson 2
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                  @robertatkinson2

                  No, this is NOT suitable as a bench power supply. Firstly if it is fully automatic you will find it will switch from constant voltage to constant current depending on load. With some loads it could osillate between the two. It might not even provide any output unless there is at least a small external voltage applied (battery sensing).

                  A used quality bench supply (Farnell, Weir, Thurlby / TTI) is not that exppansive and much more useful.

                  Robert.

                  #643805
                  Tim Stevens
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                    @timstevens64731

                    In my experience, it will not produce a voltage unless it is connected to a good (chargeable) lead-acid battery. But it doesn't need to be a particularly big (or expensive) battery, just be sure that if you need 12 volts, you use a 12v battery, But that said, the charger is likely to produce about 13.5 volts – as this is what a battery needs to charge it – just like on a car with a modern alternator. I'm sure you can still get non-automatic chargers, which would work.

                    Cheers, Tim

                    #643820
                    jann west
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                      @jannwest71382

                      Probably possible, but not as straightforward as an older style "stupid" battery charger.

                      Hate to say it, but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't do it – the internal smarts aren't your friend.

                      there are better low-cost bench power substitutes – e.g. older PC powersupplies

                      #643845
                      Frances IoM
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                        @francesiom58905

                        As several have pointed out the PSU rescued from defunct desktop PCs can provide very usable power usually between 400 and 800W with good regulation at 3.3V, 5V and 12V

                        you can also buy quite cheaply larger PSUs designed for servers usually supplying between 40-150A at 12V – catch is they can’t easily be altered as jacking it up to 13.4 would make an ideal charger for lead acid batteries.

                        #643850
                        noel shelley
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                          @noelshelley55608

                          Look for an old battery charger at a car boot, put a cap across the output and it should work. Modern smart chargers no use for this App ! Noel.

                          #643854
                          Robert Atkinson 2
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                            @robertatkinson2

                            An "old" battery charger will be unregulated and smoothed / filtered. Just about OK for running brushed DC motors and possibly incandesent lamps but the voltage will be high at lower currents. No use at all for electronic equipment.

                            Robert.

                            #643859
                            Vic
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                              @vic

                              I’ve got one of these. It can charge all types of batteries including Lithium and can also be used as a 12v power supply.

                              NOCO Genius

                              #643866
                              MadMike
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                                @madmike

                                As others have pointed out a modern charger/condition monitor, which is what this item is, will not operate as a power supply.

                                On the basis that you have a supply into which you can plug the charger, why not get an inverter or regular transformer? Incidentally what were you expecting to power up using the Aldi charger?

                                #643878
                                Anthony Knights
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                                  @anthonyknights16741

                                  This is a bench power supply I made from an old computer PSU.psu.jpg

                                  #643890
                                  Greensands
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                                    @greensands

                                    Hi – Thanks for all the replies. It confirms my original views on the strictly limited use of the device to its intended purpose. What it does mean is that it will release my somewhat ancient convential battery charger complete with ammeter for upgrading into a bench psu, perhaps even to the point of providing a new enclosure.

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                                    Maurice Taylor
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                                      @mauricetaylor82093

                                      Hi,If you convert your old charger into a power supply, I would make sure it still works as a charger.

                                      I’ve found the electronic chargers won’t charge a flat battery .

                                      Maurice

                                      #643903
                                      mgnbuk
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                                        @mgnbuk

                                        I’ve found the electronic chargers won’t charge a flat battery .

                                        Ditto.

                                        They seem to need to "see" at least 10.5v from a 12v battery to start charging. I have managed to get charging started by connecting another, good, battery in parallel with the flat one to raise the voltage that the charger sees to a point at which charging starts. The parallel good battery can then be disconnected. Whether or not a battery that has discharged below 10.5v will be of much use subsequently is another matter.

                                        The Aldi / Lidl chargers work well – while they work. I have had a couple fail – one in warranty that was replaced & one just out of warranty that wasn't. The Accumate charger I bought 25 years ago is still working fine.

                                        Nigel B.

                                        #643907
                                        Ady1
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                                          @ady1

                                          I needed a 12V supply years ago and got a box for a kids train set from ebay

                                          The older ones were made pretty bulletproof

                                          #643913
                                          john fletcher 1
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                                            @johnfletcher1

                                            As Anthony above suggests a computer power supply together with some coloured terminals make a good bench power supply. Also a more versatile one can be made out of an old type battery charger, fit a double pole change over switch, one way battery charger the other PSU. Fit a capacitor across the PSU output as a bit of smoothing, then a 5 amp three terminal adjustable regulator, break the positive output lead and insert an ammeter and you have a very useful workshop gadget. If you can get hold of disable buggy battery charge they are even bigger and better, 10 amp transformer, good case and ammeter. John.

                                            #643921
                                            Neil Wyatt
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                                              Posted by Greensands on 03/05/2023 16:39:15:

                                              I have just acquired this 6v/12v battery charger from ALDI which is being sold as a fully automatic micro processor controlled charger suitable for use with conventional car and motor cycle batteries and also incorporates a trickle charger function. Does anyone know if this might find alternative uses as a bench power supply? Maximum current is given as 5A but is said to be NOT suitable for recharging lithium batteries. One is always a little wary these days in using electronic gear outside of their design envelop but I would be interested to hear other people’s opinions.

                                              These are 'intelligent' chargers that detect battery condition and vary the output to achieve longer battery life and even recover over-discharged or sulphated batteries (to some extent).

                                              I would worry the non-linear output would not be suitable for many purposes.

                                              A traditional charger based around a transformer or a 12V supply 'module' built into a suitable box (what I used and described by 'Stub Mandrel' in issue 325 of MEW) would be a better alternative.

                                              Neil

                                              #643926
                                              jay g
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                                                @jayg67738

                                                i got one of them chargers, they work well for their intended use

                                                #643935
                                                noel shelley
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                                                  @noelshelley55608

                                                  SMART chargers are fine if you are not smart ! Making a power supply from an old computer PSU is shown on the TUBE. Golf buggy chargers have a heafty transformer about 56V and 20A but to work they have a voltage sensitive relay in the primary side – this has to be by passed( took out). Noel.

                                                  #643953
                                                  Vic
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                                                    @vic
                                                    Posted by MadMike on 03/05/2023 23:17:41:

                                                    As others have pointed out a modern charger/condition monitor, which is what this item is, will not operate as a power supply.

                                                    Mine apparently does, check out the link. wink

                                                    Posted by Vic on 03/05/2023 22:17:54:

                                                    I’ve got one of these. It can charge all types of batteries including Lithium and can also be used as a 12v power supply.

                                                    NOCO Genius

                                                    #644012
                                                    Tim Stevens
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                                                      @timstevens64731

                                                      An old-style non-smart charger may well provide a useable output, but I would beware of anythig too old. The main concern for anything from before about 1970 is the rectifier. The older transformers should be OK, as long as there is no 'hot electrics' smell in the box, and no blackened insulation. But early rectifiers (which turn the AC from the transformer into useful DC) relied on Copper Oxide, did not last very long, and were not very good when new*. This fact was one of the main things which held up the change from dynamo to alternator in cars, and especially motorcycles.Silicon rectifiers were the 'great leap forward', and it is fairlyeasy to fit a modern rectifier into an old charger to give it a longer and more reliable performance, but it does need a bit of expertise in working out what you have got, and what to change it to, in some of the early devices.

                                                      * failure of the charging system on some models of motorcycle led to a nickname for the rectifier, which was fitted immediately below the seat. It does not need much imagination to realise where the term Rectum-frier originated.

                                                      Cheers – Tim

                                                       

                                                      Edited By Tim Stevens on 05/05/2023 07:53:17

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