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  • #32243
    Terry olds
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      @terryolds52232

      Alpine major 1982

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      #589530
      Terry olds
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        @terryolds52232

        Have an Alpine major 1982, would like to convert it from a forward only to a forward and reverse switch, can this be done

        #589531
        John Haine
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          @johnhaine32865

          Mill? Lathe? Drill? Type of motor? Tell us more, post some photos.

          #589550
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution.

            #589551
            Paul Lousick
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              @paullousick59116

              Do a search on this site.

              Lots of previous posts about reversing switches and motors

              #589552
              Emgee
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                @emgee

                If single phase Check the connection box to check both windings are brought to the terminal connections before buying a suitable switch.

                If it is 3 phase best to get a FWD/OFF/REV switch suitably rated for the motor current, best to only use the switch with the motor stopped.

                Emgee

                #589556
                Robert Atkinson 2
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                  @robertatkinson2
                  Posted by old mart on 12/03/2022 21:38:06:

                  Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution.

                  In what world is fitting a VFD simpler than a two pole changeover switch to swap two phases?

                  Robert G8RPI.

                  #589557
                  noel shelley
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                    @noelshelley55608

                    There are numerous switches that will do this, Dewhurst and santon, Etc Will work on single and 3Ph. If you know HOW to wire it ! Noel

                    #589582
                    DiogenesII
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                      @diogenesii

                      Probably easiest if you can post a picture of the inside of the motor terminal box showing how the 'outside' connections meet the internal ones..

                      #589583
                      not done it yet
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                        @notdoneityet
                        Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 12/03/2022 21:57:39:

                        Posted by old mart on 12/03/2022 21:38:06:

                        Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution.

                        In what world is fitting a VFD simpler than a two pole changeover switch to swap two phases?

                        Robert G8RPI.

                        Very much in agreement with Robert, here. Old mart’s wording would have been better to say that a VFD, while (perhaps) a little more expensive might be a better solution.

                        A VFD would be my choice, simply for the added programmable features – such as soft start, easy remote operation additions, etc.

                        Until we know the motor type, we are all guessing.

                        #589629
                        Terry olds
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                          @terryolds52232

                          dscf0307.jpgdscf0305.jpgdscf0304.jpgdscf0303.jpgdscf0312.jpgdscf0311.jpgdscf0310.jpgdscf0309.jpgdscf0315.jpgdscf0313.jpgdoes this help

                          #589634
                          Tim Stevens
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                            @timstevens64731

                            Alpine Major, eh? That will be a Sunbeam Alpine with a Fordson Major engine, I guess?

                            Tim

                            #589636
                            Terry olds
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                              @terryolds52232

                              That tells our age

                              #589642
                              noel shelley
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                                @noelshelley55608

                                Single phase ! Could be cap start , cap run. Is there a wiring diagram on the lid of the terminal block ? I can't make much out on the spec plate or from the jumble of wires in the junction box. IF there are 4 wires coming out of the rubber grommet then it should be easy once you identify the start and run windings. Are there any letters or numbers on the grommet beside the wires ?

                                Tim . the major engine will be toooo heavy on the front end, just buy a tiger and be done with it ! Noel.

                                #589645
                                Terry olds
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                                  @terryolds52232

                                  No diagram on the inside of the lid, no letters or numbers on the grommet beside the wires, will be checking the number of wires from the motor to the terminal block

                                  #589671
                                  old mart
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                                    @oldmart

                                    You would need 2 fuel tanks if the Fordson Major engine was used and be prepared for a reduction in power.

                                    #589681
                                    old mart
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                                      @oldmart

                                      _igp2840.jpgIn reply to my expensive VFD suggestion, I was unaware of a cheap solution to reversing 3 phase motors, having seen the Smart & Brown wiring diagrams.

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                                      #589684
                                      Terry olds
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                                        @terryolds52232

                                        Diagrams of the connection box to help. and motor labal info

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                                        #589689
                                        John Haine
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                                          @johnhaine32865

                                          Interesting! The circuit diagram seems to show the two "PODs" in parallel. I assume that those are the silver tubular things at top and bottom of the junction box? That would imply that terminals 1 and 2 are the start (/run) winding (since the two caps are in parallel one of them doesn't seem to get switched out of circuit). So to reverse the motor you just swap over the wires to terms 1 and 2 which will reverse its phase relative to the main winding and so reverse the motor. You could do that with a two-pole double throw changeover switch as shown here making sure that you use a switch rated for mains voltage and current. Even better would be a proper motor changeover switch – like the one I flogged in eBay a few weeks ago!

                                          #589691
                                          Ady1
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                                            @ady1

                                            open it up

                                            try to wire and run it in reverse, use a RCD to do this

                                            if it runs happily in reverse then you need a reversing switch, I might be a bit of a bodger boy but I would 100% recommend a proper one which are 20-50 quid

                                            #589694
                                            Ady1
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                                              @ady1

                                              edit

                                              Do you need a everse function on a mill?

                                              Its very useful on a lathe

                                              #589701
                                              old mart
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                                                @oldmart

                                                When the forward and reverse switch failed on the museum's drill mill failed, we just replaced it with a no volt on off switch. When I got a 3 phase motor and VFD for the Tom Senior, I could have programmed reverse, but couldn't think of any need. We wilkl not ever be doing any power tapping.

                                                Edited By old mart on 13/03/2022 18:04:10

                                                #589711
                                                noel shelley
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                                                  @noelshelley55608

                                                  Right ! wires 1 & 2 are the run windings, it has 2 caps in parellel for the start circuit . 4 and 6 are the run windings. To reverse direction of rotation swap wires 1 & 2 ! If you want a diagram for the dewhurst PM me. Noel.

                                                  #589715
                                                  John Haine
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                                                    @johnhaine32865

                                                    Two run windings! Hmm.

                                                    #589724
                                                    noel shelley
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                                                      @noelshelley55608

                                                      Thanks John ! 1 & 2 are the START windings ! Noel

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