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Coil binding tape = Empire tape? Suppliers?

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27 April 2019 at 16:31 #32019
Tim Stevens
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27 April 2019 at 16:31 #406703
Tim Stevens
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I am rewinding a dynamo and I have located supplies of enamelled copper wire. What I also need is the cotton (?) tape to wrap the windings. It used to be called Empire tape but then, we used to have an Empire. So, what is it called now, and is cotton still the better material? Or glass fibre or what?

Many thanks

Tim
27 April 2019 at 16:43 #406708
Tim Stevens
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I should have said, of course – a UK supplier would be helpful, but other sources are not excluded, just slower, usually.

And it is only the field windings I am renewing.

Tim
27 April 2019 at 16:54 #406711
Phil Whitley
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I well know and have used the product of which you speak, Tim, but about 40 years ago, you could try them in Rotheram. http://www.empiretapes.com/Specialist-Tapes
27 April 2019 at 16:58 #406712
JasonB
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The people that I got the enamelled wire from for that model electric engine I made last year do some insulating tapes, have a look down the left here, I ended up using old cotton sheet and shellac for the small amount I needed
27 April 2019 at 17:07 #406714
John Reese
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I remember the term, varnished cambric, from the old days. I expect there aew newer and v=better materials..
27 April 2019 at 17:08 #406715
Tim Stevens
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Hello Jason

Yes, I have ordered wire and varnish, but they seem only to have self-adhesive glass-fibre tape, and I am not sure this will enable the regular tightening as the wrap is applied. And what is the effect of heat on the adhesive, I wonder?

Thanks anyway.

Phil – I have asked the Empire Tapes firm by email, as I cannot find the 'right stuff' in their listings. Perhaps the only users now are in China and India, and use local stuff? Thanks.

Tim
27 April 2019 at 17:08 #406716
John Reese
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Damn. I should proofread before I submit.
27 April 2019 at 17:08 #406717
Trevor Johnson 1
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When I did my Auto Electrical Apprenticeship in the early sixties we used to overhaul starters, dynamo's etc. We used Egyptian Cotton Tape for the field coils, then varnished when covered. Companies like Durite still sell it as far as I know. Do a Google search for Egyptian Tape and I am sure you will find what you want.
27 April 2019 at 17:19 #406721
Robert Atkinson 2
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The modern product would be glass tape with thermosetting adhesive. A good example is 3M's Scotch 69

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cloth-tapes/8855268/ or 12mm https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cloth-tapes/8855255/

This can be used dry or varnished. Cotton is no longer acceptable due to flammability issues.

Robert G8RPI.
27 April 2019 at 19:38 #406746
not done it yet
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Try yellow pages for local motor rewinders? They are usually helpful.
27 April 2019 at 20:35 #406761
Speedy Builder5
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Dress maker's cotton tape ? Various widths and weights – colours too.
27 April 2019 at 20:50 #406768
Neil Wyatt
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The cotton tape is still used for guitar pickups.

This is a supplier of cotton and paper tapes:

https://www.stewmac.com/Pickups_and_Electronics/Pickup_Kits_and_Parts/Pickup_Kits_and_Parts_for_Strat/Pickup_Coil_Tape.html

Might give you some search terms to help your Google Fu.

Neil

Doh – here's their UK website…

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 27/04/2019 20:52:13
27 April 2019 at 21:18 #406779
Jeff Dayman
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3M still make the traditional cambric tape if you want it. Link to supplier is below for that type and several others.

Woven glass and non-woven glass tapes with high performance resins are also available from 3M if higher temps and fire resistance or very high dielectric strength is needed.

**LINK**
28 April 2019 at 11:23 #406864
Ian S C
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You might get cotton "ribbon gauze" at the chemist shop, it comes in different widths and weaves form fairly open to quite tight. If you go to the sewing shop I think you would be looking for "bias binding" tape, the stuff I have here is cotton, most of the fancy ribbons are not cotton. Linen tape is used in the aviation industry in recovering fabric covered aircraft.

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