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  • #31974
    Michael Gilligan
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      The best short explanation I have seen …

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      #369899
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        I've just found this video: **LINK**

        It covers a lot of ground, in less than 7 minutes.

        … Highly recommended.

        MichaelG.

        #369913
        Douglas Johnston
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          @douglasjohnston98463

          Very good video, makes clear a number of important facts about steppers.yes

          Doug

          #369931
          blowlamp
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            @blowlamp
            Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2018 08:31:34:

            I've just found this video: **LINK**

            It covers a lot of ground, in less than 7 minutes.

            … Highly recommended.

            MichaelG.

            Michael.

            If you're researching stepper motors in connection to a project you may have, then I suggest you take a serious look at the newer closed-loop motors & drives, so you can be certain of no loss of position.

            I found stepperonline to be good.

            Martin.

            #369945
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by blowlamp on 01/09/2018 13:12:46:

              Michael.

              If you're researching stepper motors in connection to a project you may have, then I suggest you take a serious look at the newer closed-loop motors & drives, so you can be certain of no loss of position.

              .

              Thanks for that, Martin

              They do look useful … maybe next time.

              I had just bought this reasonably priced driver+motor set **LINK**

              https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123301889969 … and was browsing in 'a stepper motor frame of mind' when I found that video, and thought it worth sharing.

              MichaelG.

              #369958
              Muzzer
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                @muzzer

                As Martin suggests, closed loop steppers provide a lot of beneficial features. If you search for "integrated closed loop stepper" you will see that there are now quite a few clones of the Leadshine "Integrated Easy Servo" products around now.

                For under £100 you get a combined stepper motor, encoder and driver. Just provide the PSU (~36VDC) and the step / direction signals and Bob's your auntie. You can even program parameters such as how many steps error will trigger the "out of position" output and the PID terms through their software GUI thing.

                Nice thing about closed loop is that they will recover position within reason. Difficult to see why you would go any other route if you plan to use a stepper rather than a servo.

                Murray

                #369967
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Posted by Muzzer on 01/09/2018 17:46:33:

                  Difficult to see why you would go any other route if you plan to use a stepper rather than a servo.

                  Murray

                  .

                  That's O.K. Murray, I don't need you to see why.

                  I was sharing a video that I thought might be of interest to those less familiar with stepper motors than your good self.

                  There are plenty of threads on this forum where the opening post basically asks 'where do I start ?'

                  MichaelG.

                  #369969
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    @neilwyatt
                    Posted by Muzzer on 01/09/2018 17:46:33:

                    Nice thing about closed loop is that they will recover position within reason. Difficult to see why you would go any other route if you plan to use a stepper rather than a servo.

                    For the same reason you don't need traction control on a Nissan Micra?

                    Neil

                    #369973
                    blowlamp
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                      @blowlamp
                      Posted by Neil Wyatt on 01/09/2018 19:01:15:

                      Posted by Muzzer on 01/09/2018 17:46:33:

                      Nice thing about closed loop is that they will recover position within reason. Difficult to see why you would go any other route if you plan to use a stepper rather than a servo.

                      For the same reason you don't need traction control on a Nissan Micra?

                      Neil

                      You don't need traction on a Micra?

                      For a few quid more, why not get the benefit of knowing for sure that your machine is where it thinks it is?

                      Martin.

                      #369975
                      blowlamp
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                        @blowlamp
                        Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2018 15:15:57:

                        Posted by blowlamp on 01/09/2018 13:12:46:

                        Michael.

                        If you're researching stepper motors in connection to a project you may have, then I suggest you take a serious look at the newer closed-loop motors & drives, so you can be certain of no loss of position.

                        .

                        Thanks for that, Martin

                        They do look useful … maybe next time.

                        I had just bought this reasonably priced driver+motor set **LINK**

                        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123301889969 … and was browsing in 'a stepper motor frame of mind' when I found that video, and thought it worth sharing.

                        MichaelG.

                        Glad you're sorted.

                        Martin.

                        #369981
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle
                          Posted by Neil Wyatt on 01/09/2018 19:01:15:

                          For the same reason you don't need traction control on a Nissan Micra?

                          Neil

                          Clearly in some households here the Micra is for the undergardener's assistant so who cares, provided in crashing he doesn't scratch your Roller, after all, why would you be chauffeured around in anything else?

                          #369985
                          Muzzer
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                            @muzzer

                            We've all got our own bacon to fry and I won't tell you how to do yours. But if you think about it, with a closed loop stepper you don't need such big motors and drivers to be reasonably certain of getting the performance you need. So instead of climbing into a large, crude tractor so you feel certain of getting up the hill, you could do the same job using a Micra with traction control. If you must use that analogy.

                            Murray

                            #553419
                            Terry Kirkup
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                              @terrykirkup37827

                              I have a question that is potentially daft but I'd still like an answer to, just in case. Does anyone know for sure whether or not the little arrow at the bottom of this label means this is its correct orientation? And as an aside, I think I bought a tractor, this thing is a MONSTER just to drive my WM18B X-axis drive, I could hardly pick it up! I reckon you are spot on Muzzer!

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                              #553426
                              John Haine
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                                @johnhaine32865

                                There is no correct orientation. It's probably just decoration.

                                #553429
                                John Haine
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                                  @johnhaine32865
                                  Posted by Muzzer on 01/09/2018 17:46:33:

                                  …..You can even program parameters such as how many steps error will trigger the "out of position" output and the PID terms through their software GUI thing.

                                  Nice thing about closed loop is that they will recover position within reason. Difficult to see why you would go any other route if you plan to use a stepper rather than a servo.

                                  Murray

                                  So how certain is "reasonably", and if it does get temporarily out of position, how many CNC controllers can adapt their motion to recover?

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