Balzer relieving attachment working model

Advert

Balzer relieving attachment working model

Home Forums 3D Printers and 3D Printing Balzer relieving attachment working model

Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 29 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #31618
    Pete Rimmer
    Participant
      @peterimmer30576
      Advert
      #441137
      Pete Rimmer
      Participant
        @peterimmer30576

        Being new to 3d printing (4 days in) and needing something interesting to really get stuck in to learning how to draw and print models I decided to see if I could produce a working model of the Balzer device. Here are the results. It's definitely a bit rough and ready, and a couple of things need a tweak here and there but it's a fully working model operated by the hand crank.

        Hope you like it. I'll see if I can take a short video of it working. All-white is a bit of a devil to photograph I have found.

        The gears took a bit of designing. One of them has two different DP teeth on the same gear and the small orbiting one has a different pressure angle to the other two, in order to make everything mesh.

        #441152
        Hopper
        Participant
          @hopper

          Very clever, and nice work in the execution. Look forward to the video of it in action. I've looked at the patent drawings and description of its operation online but just can't get my head around exactly how it works without seeing it in action.

          #441154
          Michael Gilligan
          Participant
            @michaelgilligan61133

            Nice exercise, Pete yes

            +1 for the video request.

            MichaelG.

            #441158
            Brian Wood
            Participant
              @brianwood45127

              Count me in too please, I couldn't figure out how Balzer got over the mismatch in tooth count. Very clever and nicely re-engineered

              Brian

              #441167
              Michael Gilligan
              Participant
                @michaelgilligan61133
                Posted by Brian Wood on 11/12/2019 08:37:54:

                Count me in too please, I couldn't figure out how Balzer got over the mismatch in tooth count. Very clever and nicely re-engineered

                Brian

                .

                Have a look at Ferguson’s Paradox, Brian.

                One of the useful implementations of the idea was the dual-reading Imperial/Metric dials on some milling tables; which had 125 and 127 tooth internal gears.

                MichaelG.

                #441175
                Kiwi Bloke
                Participant
                  @kiwibloke62605

                  Neat! I too will be waiting for the video!

                  'One of the useful implementations of the idea was the dual-reading Imperial/Metric dials on some milling tables; which had 125 and 127 tooth internal gears.' And, of course, Graham Meek's ingenious saddle handwheel dials (qv).

                  Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 11/12/2019 10:07:56

                  #441178
                  Brian Wood
                  Participant
                    @brianwood45127

                    Thank you Michael, it never fails to impress me how far your knowledge base goes, I will follow that up.

                    Regards Brian

                    #441182
                    Pete Rimmer
                    Participant
                      @peterimmer30576
                      Posted by Hopper on 11/12/2019 07:30:58:

                      Very clever, and nice work in the execution. Look forward to the video of it in action. I've looked at the patent drawings and description of its operation online but just can't get my head around exactly how it works without seeing it in action.

                      The secret is in this gear, in the pic it's the one with the peg that stops it turning. The top half has 4 more teeth than the bottom half. Because the flying pinion HAS to mesh with both gears, the left gear is advanced 4 teeth during the bottom half of the rotation.

                      I originally printed the gears as 14.5PA but found that the teeth were too fine for the printer. Just like 3-d printed holes come out under-sized the teeth were slightly crowding into the gaps. I got over this by increasing the PA to 25 degrees which made the teeth more triangle-shaped, and printing the gears on a raft to raise them off the heated bed somewhat. Later I increased the PA of the bottom half teeth of the split gear even further to 30 degrees, to aid the meshing of the pinion over the mis-matched tooth size.

                      The actual cutting action is caused by the two end-pivots being off-set by 1mm so as the workpiece 'speeds up' it also moves towards the cutter,

                       

                      Edited By Pete Rimmer on 11/12/2019 11:06:56

                      #441214
                      Michael Gilligan
                      Participant
                        @michaelgilligan61133
                        #441219
                        Pete Rimmer
                        Participant
                          @peterimmer30576

                          Here's a link to the video of me working the model. Sorry about the white balance, it looked fine on my phone, only came out too white when I converted it for sharing.

                          Balzer Reliever

                           

                          ARG, looks like dropbox has ruined the quality. I'll have to fix it later.

                          Edited By Pete Rimmer on 11/12/2019 14:11:22

                          #441250
                          Brian Wood
                          Participant
                            @brianwood45127

                            Hello Pete,

                            I was able to view that just fine, it really is most ingenious and thank you for taking such considerable trouble in recreating it.

                            I imagine the 'tuning' of it to get the relieving action in the right part of the cycle is another carefully planned part in the manufacture of the eccentric shaft it all revolves on, just as it is in Eureka.

                            In full sized use for relieving actual cutters, I would expect gear wear to be pretty heavy. Do we know if it was ever used in anger?The alternative that Eureka was based on was used successfully but dropped out of favour when suitable relieving lathes became available where powered slides could be used to carve off metal.

                            Regards Brian

                            #441265
                            Pete Rimmer
                            Participant
                              @peterimmer30576

                              You're right about it would need careful timing Brian. I just used the orientation of the gear in the patent and though the motion is not perfect it's good enough to be indicative of the operation.

                              I never found any evidence of a real working one. It does have some limitations, such as it will only produce 15-tooth cutters unless you find another combination of gears that will work out to different number of tooth advancement whilst being close enough to a similar diameter that the meshing can be fudged by profile-shifting. I haven't looked at it closely but what little I have done suggest that there can't be too many options. The Eureka machine on the othr hand is very easy to change the tooth count, plus it doesn't suffer the problem of meshing mis-matched gears.

                              #441363
                              Pete Rimmer
                              Participant
                                @peterimmer30576

                                I've saved all the components now and just doing some test prints. Is anyone interested in either the Sketchup file or the .dae for their slicer? If so I can publish them, if I knew where the best place was to do it.

                                #441509
                                Jeff Dayman
                                Participant
                                  @jeffdayman43397

                                  Hi Pete, great job on the 3D print of the Balzer device. I'd like to print one. You could share the STL and/or the STEP files of the device on Thingiverse, for all to see. You do have to join Thingiverse to do that but it is free, and membership there has been no hassle for me, so far, anyway. You can control whether others can alter and re-post the device there.

                                  If that's not an option, you could just ask people to PM you with their email addresses and you could send stl and or step to them on an individual basis. In case you want to do that I'll PM you now. Thanks Jeff

                                  #441546
                                  Pete Rimmer
                                  Participant
                                    @peterimmer30576

                                    Thanks Jeff for the compliment.

                                    I've published the files on Thingiverse for anyone to download.

                                    Balzer Reliever – Thingiverse

                                    #441628
                                    Jeff Dayman
                                    Participant
                                      @jeffdayman43397

                                      I used Pete's gcode file from Thingiverse to print a Balzer mechanism. Excellent quality print. Thanks again for sharing it Pete. As far as I know this is the first one printed in Waterloo Ontario Canada so I added a Canadian flag. Looking forward to assembling it in the shop later today.

                                      There is a tiny bit of stringing around the raft base, but that is usual for my printer. The parts above the raft are very clean with minimal stringing and good strength. The white PLA used is not best quality, but works well enough.

                                      petes-balzer-mech-printed-in-waterloo-ont-canada-13dec2019.jpg

                                      #441629
                                      Pete Rimmer
                                      Participant
                                        @peterimmer30576

                                        Cool. I hope it goes together well. Once the small gear is fitted it doesn't come off again, and the winding handle is also easier to break than remove.

                                        Please let us know how it assembles!

                                        #441806
                                        Jeff Dayman
                                        Participant
                                          @jeffdayman43397

                                          Hi Pete, finished assembly of my device today. Assembly went well and it operates just fine. I painted the "cutter" and "relieving tool" in silver plastic model paint to focus the eye of viewers on what is actually happening at the business end. Pic below. Once again a big thanks for sharing the gcode on Thingiverse.

                                          img_20191215_185610810.jpg

                                          #441808
                                          Enough!
                                          Participant
                                            @enough

                                            Pete, any chance you could publish an STL of this?

                                            #441821
                                            Pete Rimmer
                                            Participant
                                              @peterimmer30576

                                              I'm afraid not. I found online converters but have no way to test the output file so I'm loathe to just run it through the converter and share it.

                                              Perhaps one of the other members can help? I don't mind adding the STL to the file list if someone tests it first. 'm sure that many other people would prefer that too.

                                              #441946
                                              Enough!
                                              Participant
                                                @enough

                                                No problem Pete – thanks for trying.

                                                I'll PM you

                                                #441956
                                                Steve F
                                                Participant
                                                  @stevef

                                                  Hi

                                                  You can open the file in Designspark and save as an stl.

                                                  Link to my OneDrive Here

                                                  hope it works

                                                  regards

                                                  Steve

                                                  #441960
                                                  Michael Gilligan
                                                  Participant
                                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                                    I’ve just viewed your stl in Safari on the iPad, Steve

                                                    Amazing what functionality has become commonplace over the last few years.

                                                    Thanks for sharing it.

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    #441964
                                                    Pete Rimmer
                                                    Participant
                                                      @peterimmer30576

                                                      Thanks Steve. With your permission I'll add the file to the Thingiverse page.

                                                      I'll also install designspark, as it will run on my old 32bit Dell, so thanks again.

                                                      Edited By Pete Rimmer on 17/12/2019 00:02:28

                                                    Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 29 total)
                                                    • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Latest Replies

                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                                                    View full reply list.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Newsletter Sign-up