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18 September 2017 at 17:53 #317561
Robin
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A poor job trying to unblock a 0.4mm nozzle and it was became an ex-0.4mm nozzle

The new ones are $30 but only £1.50 from the Bay of Fleas/Guangdong province. So I order 4 pcs and some weeks later here they are.

Unfortunately they are threaded M6x1 where the genuine parts are threaded M6x0.75 I tried whinging but all I got was an instant refund and told to keep them ad gratis.

The temptation is to rethread them with the M6x0.75 plug tap I just purchased. Alternatively I could tool up and make a pile of them.

Think I'll see how the rethreading goes first
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18 September 2017 at 17:53 #31536
Robin
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21 September 2017 at 18:41 #318050
Robin
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@robin
The M6x0.75 didn't look much like my idea of a bottoming tap but a quick whizz on the bench grinder brought it back to spec. The crossed thread is not exactly pretty but proof of the pudding is in the eating and I see no leaks…

Question is do I tool up to make some?
21 September 2017 at 20:33 #318063
Neil Wyatt
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@neilwyatt
I'm sure I replied to the first post but… well done, surprised it's leak free but if it works.

Neil
29 September 2017 at 23:22 #319307
Nick Hulme
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@nickhulme30114
You should do what you fancy but if a cheapie is fully functional with a couple of turns of a tap you could spend the time on something you don't have/can't buy.

I understand the attraction of spending lots of time making something you can easily and cheaply buy/modify if you have nothing else to do though.

– Nick
30 September 2017 at 07:35 #319317
Marcus Bowman
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Is there room to make a short adapter?

Marcus
30 September 2017 at 08:47 #319320
Robin
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@robin
After watching all those episodes of How it's Made I get terrible urges to set up my CNC mill with a whole mess of bits and HSS cutters screwed to the bed. Sadly the bodge works so well (touch wood) I have no need.

I don't actually know what blocked the nozzle in the first place. I always take the filament through a foam wiper to displace gunge and I use brass tweezers to remove the drool. It can't be swarf from the thread cutting because it seals below the thread.

A mystery.
30 September 2017 at 08:53 #319322
Clive India
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Posted by Robin on 21/09/2017 18:41:03:

Question is do I tool up to make some?

You are obviously unhappy so the answer is yes.

Presumably the seal is down the bottom and the threads just keep it in position so performs its function.

For me – it works and there is no visible evidence of the bodge so why worry?
2 October 2017 at 12:06 #319671
Nick Hulme
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Posted by Robin on 30/09/2017 08:47:11:

After watching all those episodes of How it's Made I get terrible urges to set up my CNC mill with a whole mess of bits and HSS cutters screwed to the bed.

Why not drag yourself into the 20th Century and mill it? Thread milling is as cool as a hippy penguin's Jesus sandals
2 October 2017 at 12:47 #319677
David Standing 1
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 21/09/2017 20:33:56:

I'm sure I replied to the first post but.

Neil

Perhaps in a burst of self flagellation you deleted it?
2 October 2017 at 14:48 #319687
MW
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Robin, oh, my friend, you haven't seen a ghastly bodge until you've seen my first copper boiler.

This has become nigh infamous, and one I certainly wont live down here…

So don't be so hard on yourself!

Michael W
2 October 2017 at 16:20 #319693
Robin
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Posted by Michael-w on 02/10/2017 14:48:50:

Robin, oh, my friend, you haven't seen a ghastly bodge until you've seen my first copper boiler.

This has become nigh infamous, and one I certainly wont live down here…

I cannot be reassured until I have seen this boiler.

A picture is required to make me feel better
2 October 2017 at 17:47 #319706
MW
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Posted by Robin on 02/10/2017 16:20:24

I cannot be reassured until I have seen this boiler.

A picture is required to make me feel better

I will have to trudge the depths of the forum/computer and see if I can find a picture, it's a dust catcher in my shed and i'm not sure where it went.

I'll simply drop it in my album because posting here would "trigger" me and my right to a safe space.
2 October 2017 at 18:06 #319713
Robin
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Posted by Nick Hulme on 02/10/2017 12:06:12:

Why not drag yourself into the 20th Century and mill it? Thread milling is as cool as a hippy penguin's Jesus sandals

Last time I looked thread milling cutters were priced the same as relics of the true cross. Have they made progress in the direction of affordable?
2 October 2017 at 18:12 #319716
Phil Whitley
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You could contact the seller in Guadong and ask for some jets drilled, but not threaded, or even ask for them in M6x.75, they can be very accommodating, sometimes you are dealing direct with a maker who has one machine that makes one part!!
2 October 2017 at 23:24 #319781
Nick Hulme
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Posted by Robin on 02/10/2017 18:06:18:

Have they made progress in the direction of affordable?

I guess it depends what you think is expensive, I check various sites on a weekly basis against a list of wants which include thread-mills and have picked up mine for between £5 and £50 in sizes from M2.5 internal to stuff with 14mm shanks, I think my 0.75 pitch thread-mill was about £25

If you find one that looks like this one –

http://www.carmex.com/var/files//thumb/1760

with the correct thread angle you you can grind off all but one row of teeth and cut a reasonable range of threads with one cutter.
3 October 2017 at 08:08 #319809
Robin
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Posted by Phil Whitley on 02/10/2017 18:12:03:

You could contact the seller in Guadong and ask for some jets drilled, but not threaded, or even ask for them in M6x.75, they can be very accommodating, sometimes you are dealing direct with a maker who has one machine that makes one part!!

I don't speakee Mandarin, they don't understand English…

Size: 1.75/0.4mm
We not have sell 0.75.
The goods what you see is what you get ,like our website's picture show.
Please read the goods & shipping description cleared before your bid.
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3 October 2017 at 08:35 #319813
Robin
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@robin
MSC have a M6x0.75 thread mill for £58.32 + tax

It looks so fragile. Ping, goodbye £58.32

Taper and plug M6x0.75 from China £4.07 grind the end off, don't care.

I don't think I am cheap, but if there is doubt I am prepared to ask her indoors for an adjudication
3 October 2017 at 09:28 #319820
Neil Wyatt
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As the hot end is just an aluminium block, why not make a new one with n M6 threaded hole for the nozzle, then you can use bog-standard nozzles that cost about £1.50 for 10?

Neil
3 October 2017 at 10:19 #319827
Robin
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@robin
These things? They are so last year
3 October 2017 at 12:29 #319840
Russ B
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 03/10/2017 09:28:50:

As the hot end is just an aluminium block, why not make a new one with n M6 threaded hole for the nozzle, then you can use bog-standard nozzles that cost about £1.50 for 10?

Neil

I've just read every post here to see if it had been suggested……. and then you pipped me to it Neil.

If these bespoke nozzles are $30 a pop – I'd do exactly as Neil said and just make a new hot end! To be more precise, I'd remachine the existing one to accept the standard M6 male nozzles.

I would also move the NTC thermister to the opposite side of the block to the ceramic heater, it's practically sitting on it at the moment, you're hot end could be colder than you think.
4 October 2017 at 10:46 #319969
Nick Hulme
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Posted by Robin on 03/10/2017 08:35:32:

MSC have a M6x0.75 thread mill for £58.32 + tax

It looks so fragile. Ping, goodbye £58.32

I've only milled a few hundred threads, some of them M2.5 internal, but I've never broken a thread-mill, I've shifted substantial material with 0.6mm carbide end mills too and I'm still on the first one out of the pack.

I think I'd shy away from such tooling too if my experience with the 0.6 end mills on the CNC hadn't shown me that with the correct feeds and speeds I was the only limiting factor in the use of such fine, delicate tooling,

– Nick
4 October 2017 at 14:42 #320007
Robin
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@robin
Ballpoint pen tip for scale…

Edited By Robin on 04/10/2017 14:44:14
7 October 2017 at 22:46 #320454
Nick Hulme
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Proving which posited theory in the above thread ?

😀
8 October 2017 at 12:56 #320506
Robin
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@robin
I have thought long and hard about this…

I think it proves that my fear of breaking a spindly £58.32 + vat tool is probably irrational.

It also suggests that you think I should use logic to overcome my irrational fear.

However, if I use logic, surely my logic will remind me that I already have a working solution.

So this really comes down to how smug I could feel after successfully thread milling a smallish blind hole.

Difficult
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