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    Perko7
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      After trawling the internet looking for info, I decided to develop my own spreadsheet for designing the leaf springs for my new loco. It turned out to be surprisingly simple. The main thing I found is that a leaf spring having the same number of leaves with scale thickness as in the full-size loco will be way to stiff for practical purposes unless used to also support the operator.

      My planned loco will be a small 5" gauge steamer with a total anticipated weight in the order of 50kg. By way of comparison, my 5" gauge petrol loco which has similar dimensions weighs 36kg. To maximise weight on the drivers, the leading and trailing pony trucks will only carry about 5kg each, leaving 40kg on the two driving axles.

      Using steel strapping from packing cases with a thickness of 0.7mm and a width of 10mm, with a spring length of 66mm, the calculations indicate I would only need 3 leaves to provide the combination of load-carrying and deflection needed. The full-size loco has 10 leaves.

      I'd be happy to share this Excel spreadsheet with anyone who wants it, but make no guarantees on the results obtained. I have not carried out any proof testing to verify the results, but will do once loco construction is further advanced.

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      Perko7
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        #625014
        Rod Renshaw
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          I have no practical experience of this but I can remember reading of a loco builder who faced the same issue and who weakened the intermediate spring leaves on his model by milling out a long thin section of metal in the centre of each leaf. So his spring looked ok when assembled, and it had the right rate for the model loco's weight.. I don't know if this tactic is well known.

          Rod

          #625062
          norm norton
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            If you mill out as much as is reasonable from the steel leaves, then the assembled spring has half the spring rate of the solid version. I have just finished the job making a set for my Black 5.

            Norm

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            #625088
            duncan webster 1
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              Just a suggestion, use plasticard for several leaves, it has much lower stiffness.

              Tom Walshaw did an excellent series in ME many years ago under the Tubal Cain pseudonym. Not the American upstart. 

              Edited By duncan webster on 15/12/2022 18:27:03

              #625095
              SillyOldDuffer
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                Posted by norm norton on 15/12/2022 15:50:03:

                If you mill out as much as is reasonable from the steel leaves, then the assembled spring has half the spring rate of the solid version. I have just finished the job making a set for my Black 5.

                Norm

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                Got to say how much I admire Norm's leaf-spring. It only will get a passing glance on the finished loco, yet its beautifully thought out and made. Puts me to shame. Even the interior milling is well-done.

                Dave

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