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31 July 2017 at 21:40 #31174
Peter Maloney
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31 July 2017 at 21:40 #309672
Peter Maloney
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Hi all

Just thought that I would add a few pics to my album showing progress on my first model. As you can see I have jumped about production depending on money, time and materials available.

You will see many temporary fixings in place. The holes in splashers are jig holes which need filling. Not too happy with square corners on bunker. Will probably remake when my panel beating skills improve.

Pete
1 August 2017 at 15:24 #309778
Richard Dobson
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Hi Peter, I am also just starting a 5" Pansy. Still drilling out the chassis at the moment. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Hope the build go's well.

Richard.
1 August 2017 at 15:34 #309783
Richard Dobson
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Can I also ask a maybe stupid question, or two really.

I have noticed that on some forum photos the pansy chassis has an increased quantity of holes in the chassis plates. This doesn't tally up with the supplied drawings. Am I missing something.

Also, I'm sure I read somewhere that the holes for the brake hangers should be relocated other than shown on the drawings. Have you done this and if so, would you mind sharing the wealth a little.
1 August 2017 at 21:10 #309840
Peter Maloney
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Hi Richard

Out of interest I have been working on my Pansy on and off for 4 Years (more off than on). Not all holes are shown on drawings – the reversing bracket for example. I was lucky enough to have a full set of ME mags detailing construction and I sifted through these to find details of all extra holes to include at main frame drilling stage. They can be put in later but may involve a strip down of chassis.

The brake hanger holes should be 2in from bottom of frame. I had already put the 'wrong ones' into my frames before I found out.

In my album pics you may have noticed a 'funny frame stretcher' behind crank axle This is just temporary. The grey spray paint is just to protect against rust during construction.

There are quite a lot of other errors also. If you do a search on 'Pansy Errors' on Google you will find them.

Have you read all the posts in ME for Pansy? I was totally confused over variations in valve gear dimensions but Julian Atkins came to the rescue with a suggested correct design which I am following.

I don't feel that I should give you these details direct without Julian's approval. Hopefully he will see this post and come to your rescue also.

Pete
1 August 2017 at 21:19 #309848
Peter Maloney
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Hi Richard

It's me again. Have you seen the discussion in the expansion link forum?

Pete
1 August 2017 at 21:45 #309856
Richard Dobson
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That's OK Peter, Julian has very kindly passed on all his knowledge regarding the valve gear etc a few weeks back. It was very nice of him, so thanks Julian.

I have managed to find copies of ME that detail the pansy build. So far month by month I am slowly purchasing these old volumes, but it's been hard graft. I also hope to make a visit to look over a Pansy, although I am currently not awere of ones location.

Your build is looking great, fingers crossed if mine looks half as decent I'll be happy.
1 August 2017 at 21:51 #309863
Richard Dobson
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Regarding the expansion link forum, that'll be a no not yet.
1 August 2017 at 22:00 #309867
Richard Dobson
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So regarding the break hangers, you've dropped them 7/16?

Thanks again.
5 August 2017 at 13:23 #310502
Peter Maloney
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Richard

If my sums are correct I have dropped ctrs by 9/16. This I believe brings the brake block pivot point in line with running position of wheel ctrs.

Also be aware that some Pansy info is given in LBSC's ways and means ME vol 118 issue 2973, ME vol118 issue 2978.

On sht 9 of drawings I believe the 2 5/16 dimn from bottom of cab should be 3 5/16. I have drawn this out and 2 5/16 does not look right. Hopefully there will be a Pansy on display at the Bristol ME exhibition later this month.

Pete
6 August 2017 at 13:04 #310667
Cornish Jack
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Peter and Richard – a bit late to the party but I have just found a Pansy-related PDF among my 'general interest' files. If it is of interest, I will pass details but with the caveat that I do not know whether there would be copyright issues.

rgds

Bill
6 August 2017 at 16:59 #310712
alan ord 2
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On sht 9 of drawings I believe the 2 5/16 dimn from bottom of cab should be 3 5/16. I have drawn this out and 2 5/16 does not look right. Hopefully there will be a Pansy on display at the Bristol ME exhibition later this month.

Hi Peter, can you clarify your comments above. I have just checked sht 9 and cannot locate dimension 2 5/16. There is a dimension 2 15/16 from the bottom of the cab side to the window. I am some way off getting my Pansy build to that point of the construction but would like to know what the correct dimension should be.

Thanks, Alan.
6 August 2017 at 17:01 #310713
alan ord 2
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Bill, would you be so kind and send me a copy of the PDF. I will send you a private message containing my e mail address.

Alan.
6 August 2017 at 18:16 #310721
Peter Maloney
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Sorry Guys – I should have typed 2 15/16 & 3 15/16.

If you draw out 2 15/16 dimn on sheet 9 (assuming your drawing is 1:1) it just does not look right to me. I have also looked at photos of full size locos for comparison.

Perhaps someone who has completed Pansy could advise.

Pete
6 August 2017 at 19:03 #310727
alan ord 2
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Pete, thanks for the update.

Alan.
18 August 2017 at 20:18 #312799
Peter Maloney
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Hi

Been to Bristol ME exhibition today and there were 4 models of Pansy on show. Without exception they all used the 3 15/16 dimn to the start of the cab cutout and it looked perfect. That is the dimn I will be using.

Also, none of the bunkers had sharp corners – the rounded corners looked great. Must brush up my panel beating skills.

Pete
19 August 2017 at 18:05 #312910
alan ord 2
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Pete, thanks for the clarification. I will amend my drawing to reflect the correct dimension.

Thanks again, Alan.
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