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Stewart Harts Horizontal Engine build

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27 June 2016 at 20:15 #244373
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
Hi all,

The video hopefully attached to this message shows the finished horizontal engine built as per the design and drawings from Stewart Hart.

It is my first non-wobbler build and there are a few cosmetic changes to the design, which are purely for personal aesthetic purposes.

I have been taking copious photographs during the build and am now in the process of compiling a build log which I hope to publish in sections quite soon.

I hope that someone enjoys the video and if has given me great personal pleasure in building this engine which will be followed by the vertical engine and finally the beam engine, thereby producing thew Trilogy from the pen of Stewart Hart.

If anyone else is contemplating building this engine then I would whole heartedly recommend this as a good first start.

Jason, if you could help with the link that would be hugely appreciated.

Mike

Edited By JasonB on 27/06/2016 20:22:36
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27 June 2016 at 20:15 #31136
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
first run
27 June 2016 at 20:58 #244376
kevin beevers
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@kevinbeevers61752
like it think i may try this looks a nice litte engine my first was woodbeam engine i have just started another but this time if i can remember to take photos of the build.nice work.

kevin
27 June 2016 at 22:22 #244381
Neil Wyatt
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@neilwyatt
Very good, it will look nice when it's painted.

But how did you get it to 'wobble' like rubber? The video was making me seasick!

Neil
28 June 2016 at 09:03 #244419
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
Neill,

The magic of a hand held digital camera running in video mode.

Unlike some on here I don't have a tripod to give a steady base, but I guess I should try for a better video when it is painted and reassembled and hopefully running again.

Mike
29 June 2016 at 10:33 #244619
Ian S C
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@iansc
Mike, you'll probably find that the mounting thread for a tripod on the camera is 1/4" Whitworth, it is simple to knock up a stand of some sort. Ian S C
29 June 2016 at 11:05 #244626
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
Ian,

I have a 1/4" Whitworth tap and die set so can make a stand of sorts.

Was actually thinking of one of those flexible armed "gorilla" type stands which I could then position rather more freely.

Mike
29 June 2016 at 11:25 #244628
Michael Gilligan
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@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by Ian S C on 29/06/2016 10:33:40:

Mike, you'll probably find that the mounting thread for a tripod on the camera is 1/4" Whitworth, it is simple to knock up a stand of some sort. Ian S C

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… or, more likely, [to my great chagrin] 1/4" 20 UNC, to a 'sloppy-fit' tolerance specification which ensures that it will remain compatible with old 1/4" Whitworth tripod screws.

[discussed at length previously, on this forum]

MichaelG.

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Edit: Ian, you obviously know that already

… I've just located your post on this page.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/06/2016 11:41:30
29 June 2016 at 11:49 #244631
JasonB
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@jasonb
It's not just camera movement that is ian issue here there is a wavyness to the video which I have noticed in a few others recently, take a look at the air connection at the start of the clip and it sways from side to side, no tripod will cure that.

There is a name and reason for it as it came up teh other day on another forum but can't find the post right now

Edit, seems like a tripod will help, from the other site

"Although it may be the G&Ts, it's actually a phenomenon called "rolling shutter". Cell phones (and some point n shoot still/video) record video one line at a time. "Real" video cameras capture the full frame all at once. Any cell phone movement creates the rubber legs on the engine. A camera support will stop the problem.

You may continue drinking with impunity. "

And the wobbly engine video in question, nice little engine.

Edited By JasonB on 29/06/2016 12:03:51
29 June 2016 at 12:50 #244643
Roderick Jenkins
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@roderickjenkins93242
It's not just the camera that needs to be still. The video of my Wyvern was taken using a Nikon D90 in video mode. The camera was mounted on a tripod well isolated from the model but the Wyvern was clamped to a rather flimsy workmate clone and, being a single, is not well balanced. I think the frequency of the subject vibrations interfere with video frequency and result in a wobble. It is particularly noticeable in close-up..

Anyway, nice model Mike – Hope to meet you at Guildford on Saturday.

Rod

Edited By Roderick Jenkins on 29/06/2016 12:53:37
29 June 2016 at 12:55 #244645
Neil Wyatt
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@neilwyatt
I suspect it's you-tube's automatic steadying software getting it wrong. It's steadying the paper sheet but not steadying all the parts of the engine correctly. If it was just a shutter issue, the edges of the paper would move as well.

After watching those two I now feel quite ill,so if MEW 244 comes out late, it's YOUR fault!

Neil
29 June 2016 at 13:14 #244648
Michael Gilligan
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@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by JasonB on 29/06/2016 11:49:59:

… it's actually a phenomenon called "rolling shutter". Cell phones (and some point n shoot still/video) record video one line at a time. "Real" video cameras capture the full frame all at once. Any cell phone movement creates the rubber legs on the engine. A camera support will stop the problem.

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May I just expand upon that, Jason ?

Sensors [with their associated chipsets] come in two types "rolling shutter" is as you describe, and "global shutter" is the frame-capture type.

Doesn't add much to the present discussion, but might be useful if anyone wants to explore further.

MichaelG.
29 June 2016 at 14:04 #244656
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 29/06/2016 12:55:33:

I suspect it's you-tube's automatic steadying software getting it wrong. It's steadying the paper sheet but not steadying all the parts of the engine correctly. If it was just a shutter issue, the edges of the paper would move as well.

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I know nothing about the automatic steadying software [something to learn-about tonight], but I think that there may be a beat frequency effect, between actual and expected frame-rate. Add in the 'rolling shutter' and you have a recipe for thise wobbly legs.

Is this more commonly seen on YouTube videos originating from PAL regions ??

MichaelG.
29 June 2016 at 14:31 #244661
Roderick Jenkins
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@roderickjenkins93242
Well, my original video is, if anything, even wobblier than the YouTube version .

Rod
29 June 2016 at 14:45 #244662
Ed Duffner
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@edduffner79357
The early Nikon cameras had an issue with wobbly digital video when the camera was panned.

Very smooth running engine Mike!

Ed.

Edited By Ed Duffner on 29/06/2016 14:50:08
29 June 2016 at 15:16 #244665
Michael Gilligan
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@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 29/06/2016 14:31:21:

Well, my original video is, if anything, even wobblier than the YouTube version .

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Thanks for that update, Rod

I may not bother trying to understand the YouTube 'steadying software' after all.

MichaelG.
29 June 2016 at 17:03 #244678
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
Gentlemen,

Reading through the last few messages regarding the wobbling effect I do now recall that after uploading onto YouTube an option to activate the "steadying software" was accepted and in hindsight I think that this was a bad move as the original has no visible wobble, apart from the shaky human stand "me".

Mike
29 June 2016 at 18:01 #244683
kevin beevers
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@kevinbeevers61752
its been pumping too much homebrew
29 June 2016 at 18:34 #244689
Geoff Theasby
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@geofftheasby
Mike, I notice you don't have any oil holes in the main bearings. Perhaps a 1mm drilling from the top, with a countersink to hold a drop of oil?

regards

Geoff
29 June 2016 at 18:34 #244690
Geoff Theasby
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@geofftheasby
Mike, I notice you don't have any oil holes in the main bearings. Perhaps a 1mm drilling from the top, with a countersink to hold a drop of oil?

regards

Geoff
29 June 2016 at 18:42 #244694
Mike Bondarczuk
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@mikebondarczuk27171
Geoff,

The video is of the first run and I had copiously oiled the main bearings as well as the slides and the big end bearing.

The engine is now stripped down and in the process of being prepared for painting but in the interim I had turned four oil cups, two to go on the main bearing supports and one each for the top slides.

The dimensions of the cups are such that they have a capacity of 4ml of oil and feed the bearings via 1mm diameter holes.

The idea of simple countersunk dimples to hold oil had never occurred to me and is a nice idea for the future.

The build log will show the oil cups as well as the other major components and the final video will show the finished painted engine, and I am currently busy cutting gaskets for the heads as well as the steam valve assembly.

Mike
29 June 2016 at 19:33 #244698
Michael Gilligan
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@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by Mike Bondarczuk on 29/06/2016 17:03:58:

Reading through the last few messages regarding the wobbling effect I do now recall that after uploading onto YouTube an option to activate the "steadying software" was accepted and in hindsight I think that this was a bad move as the original has no visible wobble, apart from the shaky human stand "me".

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Mike,

Thanks … You have encouraged me to have a look

Here is a short explanatory video, but there are also quite a few very negative discussions! … First impression is it's "too clever by half" and best left alone.

MichaelG.
23 January 2022 at 09:06 #581843
Mark Davies 4
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@markdavies4
Hi all,

Im currently half way thro this project and was wondering what peoples thoughts were on the fixing i should use, eg studding with nuts or hex headed bolts. Think whatever i decide i will make them from brass.

thanks.
23 January 2022 at 10:17 #581865
JasonB
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@jasonb
Studs and nuts always look better and replicate the full size practice though I would go for steel myself. You can get some nice small hex steel nuts which look better than the usual mass produced items
23 January 2022 at 12:20 #581907
Jim Nic
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@jimnic
Definitely studs and nuts, usually steel. When I say studs, I actually use cut down bolts or threaded rod rather than the correct form of stud with a plain portion. BA sizes available from EKP supplies.

Jim

Edited By Jim Nic on 23/01/2022 12:22:10
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