Drummond pre-B type lathe (1/4 scale)

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  • #237291
    Ian Newman 1
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      @iannewman1

      Hi,

      My new project is a 1/4 scale model of my own lathe – a Drummond Pre-B Type made in about 1910.

      One of the conical headstock bearings has reached the limit of its adjustment, so I had the headstock dismantled to take dimensions to make a replacement. While the headstock was demounted and in bits I took the opportunity to make fully dimensioned drawings of the parts for future reference – and one thing led to another….

      The obvious place to start is the bed. On the original, this is cast and to make a cast. Casting is not a process that I have access to, so I am going to mill/file the part from solid and fabricate some of the minor detail. Progress so far:

      As you can see, I've a long way to go with this component…

      Ian.

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      #31129
      Ian Newman 1
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        @iannewman1
        #237502
        Ian Newman 1
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          @iannewman1

          Having frightened myself with the thought of trying to machine the bed, I decided to start with something a little easier.

          I spent yesterday evening flycutting some small slabs of stock to the desired thickness and then cut the 'blanks' that will become the compound slide, the cross slide and the saddle and filing them to shape.

          Compound parts:

          I machined the dovetails in the saddle, drilled and tapped the gib adjustment holes and filed the saddle to shape:

          #237508
          Philip Rowe
          Participant
            @philiprowe13116

            Judging from the effort that you seem to be putting into this project I am assuming that you will be motorising this miniature Drummond. In which case you will have a very nice watchmakers lathe.

            Phil

            #237519
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              Great project, Ian star

              Please keep the progress reports coming.

              MichaelG.

              #237556
              Hopper
              Participant
                @hopper

                Brilliant project! Keep us posted.

                #237598
                Ian S C
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                  @iansc

                  Rather than an electric motor, would you not perhaps use a foot motor, although small open crank horizontal gas engines were a thing used by some.

                  Ian S C

                  #237603
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    @neilwyatt
                    Posted by Ian S C on 05/05/2016 11:42:23:

                    Rather than an electric motor, would you not perhaps use a foot motor, although small open crank horizontal gas engines were a thing used by some.

                    Ian S C

                    Ten he could set up a complete 1/4" scale sweat-shop complete and recruit a gang of toddlers to power it

                    neil

                    #237656
                    Tractor man
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                      @tractorman

                      Very nice start on your project. So nice to see the machines we use being modelled. Keep up with the updates. Mick

                      #237911
                      Ian Newman 1
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                        @iannewman1
                        Posted by Philip Rowe on 04/05/2016 16:12:34:

                        Judging from the effort that you seem to be putting into this project I am assuming that you will be motorising this miniature Drummond. In which case you will have a very nice watchmakers lathe.

                        Phil

                        Phil,

                        As you (and Ian) have noticed, the intention is to make a working machine. I started on the assumption that it would be a nice, simple, straightforward project – it is a simple lathe with a total of about 12 moving parts, it must be a 'piece of cake' compared to a Gresley A4.

                        But when you start looking at the detail of the task it sort of grows

                        All the best,

                        Ian

                        #237913
                        Ian Newman 1
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                          @iannewman1

                          Hi,

                          Today's progress – a bit of machining and drill/tapping to make the cross slide fit the saddle, and a little work with a needle file to shape the gib strip.

                          The parts (only one of the locating dimples has been drilled on the gib strip so far):

                          The cross slide fitted to the saddle:

                          Viewed from underneath:

                          The next challenge is to make a small Tee-slot cutter to produce the cross-slide Tee slots.

                          Ian

                          #237928
                          Ian S C
                          Participant
                            @iansc

                            Even with an electric motor, it should be run from a line shaft with a fast and loose pulley, same as we had at school running the old Herbert lathes (1920s vintage).

                            Ian S C

                            #238826
                            Ian Newman 1
                            Participant
                              @iannewman1

                              A bit more progress:

                              The feedscrew for the cross slide machined out:

                              I also cut out the cross slide front plate. After threading the feedscrew, the cross slide and saddle could be fully fitted with the front plate and feedscrew. A small handle was quickly filed up to allow the operation to be tested:

                              View underneath:

                              I also roughed out the headstock – milled/hacksawed from a block:

                              #238829
                              Michael Gilligan
                              Participant
                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                That's looking great, Ian

                                MichaelG.

                                #238837
                                Neil Wyatt
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                                  @neilwyatt

                                  Indeed a great project.

                                  #238909
                                  Hopper
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                                    @hopper

                                    That's neat. Keep on posting. Loving it.

                                    #287925
                                    Benny Avelin
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                                      @bennyavelin86238

                                      How is it going with this very interesting project?

                                      I have often entertained the idea of building a small machine, mill/lathe/shaper. If I would build one it would probably be a shaper and then I would make it large enough to be useful in cutting keyslots and such.

                                      #288763
                                      Chris Woodcock 2
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                                        @chriswoodcock2

                                        This is indeed an interesting project and I also would be interested to know how it is progressing, particularly as I have two Drummond pre-Bs, one on an original treadle stand. When I needed to replace a small cast-iron component I carved a pattern in lime-wood and found a small local foundry (in Derbyshire). For a small charge they made me two castings which I was then able to finish off at home. Would this approach work with your quarter-scale lathe bed?

                                        #288782
                                        John Flack
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                                          @johnflack59079

                                          Could Ian's real interest be in making large scale pens????????😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

                                          #291588
                                          Tractor man
                                          Participant
                                            @tractorman

                                            Now there’s a possibility John lol.
                                            Did you see the million dollar coin that has been stolen from a museum in Canada. I could put that next to my lathe and kid you on it’s a miniature. If I had a spare couple of million to buy it that is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/27/giant-gold-coin-worth-almost-4-millionstolen-berlin-museum-dawn/

                                            #291589
                                            Tractor man
                                            Participant
                                              @tractorman

                                              Ps how do I do links lol

                                              #291593
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                                Posted by Tractor man on 01/04/2017 08:04:32:
                                                Ps how do I do links lol

                                                .

                                                Copy the URL [you evidently know how], then select this icon

                                                bubblecar.jpg

                                                paste the URL into the box, and follow your nose.

                                                MichaelG.

                                                #291608
                                                Neil Wyatt
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                                                  @neilwyatt
                                                  Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/04/2017 08:41:21:

                                                  Posted by Tractor man on 01/04/2017 08:04:32:
                                                  Ps how do I do links lol

                                                  .

                                                  Copy the URL [you evidently know how], then select this icon

                                                  bubblecar.jpg

                                                  paste the URL into the box, and follow your nose.

                                                  And when the URL appears in the message box you can delete the 'http://' part to ensure it displays the destination instead of saying '**link**', or type something meaningful while the link is still highlighted.

                                                  Examples of the three approaches:

                                                  **LINK**

                                                  http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/

                                                  This Website

                                                  Neil

                                                  #291621
                                                  Ian Newman 1
                                                  Participant
                                                    @iannewman1

                                                    OK – boring things like earning a living got in the way of the model making for a while, but I've done some more on the bed

                                                    The outline has been roughed out now and the dovetails machined:

                                                    The base/foot of the bed will be fabricated.

                                                    Ian

                                                    #291626
                                                    Neil Wyatt
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                                                      @neilwyatt

                                                      Possibly a bit heavy to fly (it is an SE5a isn't it?)

                                                      Seriously, nice progress, it's very satisfying carving lumps of CI (if you don't make mistakes).

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